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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4742 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
These little bobbles you speak of, those that actually exist, only amount to much with in the local group. Being random they tend to cancel each other out and are reflected by the fuzzing of the spectral line within a single galaxy and widening of the bell curve in a statistical measure of a pant load of galaxies. Expansion is cumulative and pushes the line farther and farther toward the red end of the spectrum.
Kindly There is a spider by the water pipe.
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4742 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
Libmr2bs in message 9 writes: But any radial velocity of the stars caused by attraction toward the center of their galaxy . Libmr2bs in message 13 writes: Gravity causes all revolving bodies to experience radial acceleration. I hope cavediver missed ninth grade physics. Kindly There is a spider by the water pipe.
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4742 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
Why would galaxies that are farther away be shrinking faster?
We know they are farther because they subtend a lesser arc, have smaller, dimmer globular clusters, have cute, little, teeny-tiny super nova and appear closer together. The same way those Texas town look when you're still twenty miles away on a night run. We don't have much of a choice in seeing our Milky Way edge on, but the majority of galaxies are not edge on to us (or even spirals). And having several billion of them to choose from we could ignore any that weren't straight on, clockwise spirals and still have plenty to spare. Heck, let's ignore the centers of galaxies altogether. Let's just measure the red shift of the the high side of vertically oriented , edge on galaxies. Some will have peculiar motions toward us and some away. Again, with billions to choose from we'll still have plenty. There are about a jillion ways to overcome your difficulties that a thoughtful man can come up with on a slow night. If someone did research this I'd bet his next research project was to determine if the lens caps should be left on or take off during observations. Edited by lyx2no, : No reason given. Kindly There is a spider by the water pipe.
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4742 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
Sorry, jumped the gun.
Edited by lyx2no, : No reason given. The world breaks everyone, and afterward many are strong at the broken places. But those it cannot break, it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these, you can be sure that it will kill you too, but there will be no special hurry. Ernest Hemingway
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4742 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
Thank you for the post. Am I to now understand I should understand what your talking about?
The world breaks everyone, and afterward many are strong at the broken places. But those it cannot break, it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these, you can be sure that it will kill you too, but there will be no special hurry. Ernest Hemingway
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4742 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined:
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Well, I thank you for your faith in my abilities to adduce the one true path to universal understanding on so few clues. However, I have failed you. None of what you say makes it obvious to me where I’m supposed to go. May I explain.
The speed of light is a velocity. It may be an illusion that photons move, but it’s an illusion of velocity. If that’s the point you want to make do so. But that which follows, your ten proofs, does not conclued that.
quote: Is there another reason, and you’ve given none, for dividing distance by time unless one is describing speed or velocity? My cousin lives 347 miles away and I‘ve not seen him for 504 hours. That’s 0.688 mph or 1 fps. Ok, it’s not a velocity unless I say "I've been crawling on hands and knees underneath a net from Baltimore for the last three weeks: How fast have I gone?", but otherwise it's just a daft conjunction. Unless you introduce a Daffy Conjunction Principle (DCP) I fail to see how this fits into any argument.
quote: Yes, as the Mars Climate Orbiter attests, it is better to do the calculations keeping all of our units the same; all the girls say yeah. And c need not necessarily be a velocity. And though that doesn’t mean it isn’t, I don’t think this is were the arguments against you are coming from. From where I sit you prefere doing the calculations chock full of obvious adjustments because you come out with obvious answers.
quote: I dragged 4 & 6 up with 3 because they’re of a piece. I would agree that the measurement of a photon is a destructive process. That a photon has been photographed in flight is such a silly statement I have a hard time believing a professor in Applied Holography said it to be interpreted as you interpret it here. It would be real nice of you to cite where Nils Abramson said this, or quote him in context so an argument can be made against it. As it stands I smell a straw man working in the quote mines. Please show me (not tell me) I’m wrong.
quote: Are you raising an army of straw men to escort us down the one true path? (Add a few tin men and cowardly lions and I go just so I can battle the flying monkeys. But I ain’t wearing the dress.) I can time the emission of a photon directed into a vacuum. I can time the reception of a photon coming out of a vacuum at the intended target. I can measure the length of the supposed path of the photon through that vacuum. I can divide P by tr-te, and get something that looks remarkably like a velocity. I can also insert a detector at any point along said path prematurely interrupting the photon at exactly the time one would predict the photon to be at that point; though not before or after. This is a very good illusion.
quote: I’m not sure I get this one. What does a photon have to be when it is supposed to be travelling between galaxies. My guess would be that it’s a photon. We have an electrona in galaxya which emits a photon of energy E, electrona losing said energy E. An electronb in galaxyb absorbs said photon gaining energy E. The total energy of electrona, electronb, and the photon remains unchanged. I’m sure there’s some really intersting physics in here that would also go toward explaining your POAM theory.
quote: Who doesn’t agree that photon-photon interactions must be exceedingly rare if ever and as cavediver produced the ever with the photon→pair↔photon and his bubble chamber picture an explanation is in order for the empirical evidence being a pov illusion. Your reply seems to have been Yeah, yeah, sure, sure. So I think I can fairly settle the issue by saying Is so, from the beginning of the world to the end, padlock, no key.
quote: Where does the properly so called rule come from? Logically, the rule of the composition of velocities doesn’t apply to photons. Photon velocities accord with a different rule as they are different from objects with mass.
quote: Maybe you should have broken this up into several points to complete your ten instead of making three points out of point 3-4-6. You seem to be saying here and in 9 that photons should behave like buses or they don’t exist. That we can not identify a photon in the middle of its flight doesn’t mean it doesn't exist. The photon’s wave/particle nature is very odd to be sure, but more than incredulous questioning is required to negate the very useful, current interpretation. For all that I can tell is that you expect the world to comply with your brand of common sense and that the reason that it seem not to is because we’re all looking at it wrong way round. Where I see a lot of You can’t see it from there., I don’t see much Stand over here. I may be all wrong. I’m wrong a lot. Tell me what a photon is if not a photon. The world breaks everyone, and afterward many are strong at the broken places. But those it cannot break, it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these, you can be sure that it will kill you too, but there will be no special hurry. Ernest Hemingway
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4742 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
I've explained it all. No you haven't.
If you haven't the capacity to understand, then it's hardly my fault. The burden of proof is on you.
Anyway, I'm no longer active on this thread. Another "fact" you've yet to establish.
So, please, DON'T SEND ME ANY MORE OF THIS. "This" as in questioning you. You know this is a debate site, don't you? The world breaks everyone, and afterward many are strong at the broken places. But those it cannot break, it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these, you can be sure that it will kill you too, but there will be no special hurry. Ernest Hemingway
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