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Author Topic:   Proof of an Intelligent Creator and His purpose
andersbranderud
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Message 1 of 5 (537216)
11-27-2009 4:13 PM


I hope you will find this text interesting.
According to science our universe (space-time) has a beginning (http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9403004).The paper found on Arxiv.org is written by the cosmologist Alexander Vilenkin of the Tufts university and Arvind Bonde.)
It is a fundamental law of physics (causality) that every physical occurrence in space-time has a cause. Since space-time has a beginning there was a first physical occurrence. Causality requires that the first physical occurrence had a cause. Causality and the fact that space-time has a beginning implies that this Prime Cause is non-dimensional and independent of space-time.
To conclude the above paragraphs:
Fact: No thing nor event in the known universe or laws of physics lacks a cause.
Assume: There is no Prime Cause (Creator).
Ergo: There is no universe.
Fact: There is a universe.
Therefore: the statement that was assumed is proven to be a false statement by reduction ad absurdum (proof by disproof).
(Since "There is no Creator" is proven false, the opposite is true: There is a Creator.)
Being logically consistent (orderly), our (to say perfectly-orderly would be a tautology) orderly universe must mirror its Prime Cause / Singularity-CreatorWho must be Orderly; i.e. Perfect. An orderly"not capricious," as Einstein put itCreator (also implying Just), therefore, necessarily had an Intelligent Purpose in creating this universe and us within it and, being Just and Orderly, necessarily placed an explanation, a "Life's Instruction Manual," within the reach of His subjectshumankind.
It defies the orderliness (logic / mathematics) of both the universe and Perfection of its Creator to assert that humanity was (contrary to His Torah, see below) without any means of rapproachment until millennia after the first couple in recorded history as well as millennia after Abraham, Moses and the prophets. Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Torah which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). (Some of the text is a quote from Netzarim Jews; Ra'anana, Israel)
The fact that the Creator is perfect implies that He isn’t self-contradictory. Therefore any religion, and all religions contradicts each other (otherwise they would be identical), that contradicts Torah is the antithesis to the Creator.
Anders Branderud

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Message 2 of 5 (537223)
11-27-2009 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by andersbranderud
11-27-2009 4:13 PM


Purpose
You've posted this OP on various debate boards this year, but don't seem to participate in the debate yourself.
Why are you posting the same argument here and do you plan to participate or just observe?

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andersbranderud
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Message 3 of 5 (537224)
11-27-2009 5:49 PM


Hello,
I have debated on some of the forums, but not all of them. I am working on catching up.
Yes, I plan to participate in the debate.
The purpose is giving people formal logical reasons based on scientific premises to the existence of a Creator.
Have a nice weekend!
Anders Branderud

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Message 4 of 5 (537230)
11-27-2009 7:11 PM
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11-27-2009 5:35 PM


Re: Purpose
Hi PD,
I know the originator says he plans to participate, but given that he also says he's still catching up at other boards I'm skeptical. If he already has open discussions on the exact same topic with which he's been unable to keep up, then he doesn't need to start yet another one here. He evidently gave the impression that he would respond to people who took the time and trouble to join his threads, but feels no guilt or remorse for ignoring them.

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Message 5 of 5 (537235)
11-27-2009 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by andersbranderud
11-27-2009 5:49 PM


Not Inclined to Promote
I agree with Admin on this one. Since you are still catching up with several other threads, you don't seem to have the time necessary to keep a thread going.
Thank you for proposing this topic, but it will not be promoted at this time.
Good luck with your other debate forums.
AdminPD

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