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Message 39 of 74 (530147)
10-12-2009 12:55 PM

Reply to: Message 38 by Izanagi
10-12-2009 10:00 AM

Re Faith

Hi Izanagi,

Izanagi writes:

We would expect mention of the Abrahamic God somewhere outside the Middle East if humanity began again after the flood with eight people who were fervent believers in God.

Where do you find they were fervent believers in God?

Izanagi writes:

Remember, Noah and his family were unique among the rest of the world prior to the flood because of their faith.

Noah was unique. The Bible does not say anything about the other 7.

Gen 6:8 tells us Noah found grace in the eyes of God.

Gen 6:9 tells us Noah walked with God.

No scripture tells us anything about any of the other seven's beliefs.

Izanagi writes:

That's why God choose to save them.

God chose to save them because Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

Izanagi writes:

So you would expect Noah and his family to make sure their descendants held to those beliefs.

Just like many of the posters here who was raised in Church by parents who believed in God are now atheist.

You can't make anybody believe anything.

Izanagi writes:

So there should have been some people out there who held similar beliefs as the Hebrews, shouldn't there?

There are, they just modified God to suit themselves.

Izanagi writes:

Yet consider that for at least a generation a great majority of the Hebrews were able to keep to their faith under the whips of Pharaoh. Doesn't it seem contradictory to say that they lost faith so quickly in one instance while in another instance they kept to their faith so strongly?

After 430 years of captivity which generation are you talking about?

I don't find that God was there to set them free because of any faith they had in Him.

God was there to set them free because of a covenant He had made with Abraham.

So where do you get that they kept to their faith so strongly?

In fact about 3 days into their journey they railed upon Moses for bringing them out into the wilderness to die. They said we would have been better off if you had just left us alone in Egypt. Exodus 14:12

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 41 of 74 (530191)
10-12-2009 4:58 PM

Reply to: Message 40 by Izanagi
10-12-2009 2:49 PM

Re Faith

Hi Izanagi,

Izanagi writes:

So are you saying that people who witnessed an act of God, i.e. the flooding of the entire world, would probably not be fervent believers of God?

John chapter 11 tells us of Lazarus who had been dead for 4 days being called forth from the grave by Jesus. Many believed on Jesus but many did not believe even though they saw this dead man come forth from the grave bound hand and foot. The grave clothes removed and him be alive.

People have no problem not accepting the truth. They know what they believe and don't care to be bothered by the truth.

Izanagi writes:

They railed against Moses, not God.

But to rail against God's man is to rail against God.

In Numbers chapter 21 the people spoke against Moses and God and many died as God sent fiery serpents among them.

In Numbers chapter 12 Aaron and Miriam spake against Moses and God caused Miriam to become leprous, as white as snow.

Izanagi writes:

There's a big difference at being angry at the messenger and being angry at the person who sent the message.

To be angry with God's messenger is to be angry at God no difference.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 50 of 74 (530393)
10-13-2009 10:34 AM

Reply to: Message 42 by Izanagi
10-12-2009 9:40 PM

Re: Faith

Hi Izanagi,

Izanagi writes:

Whether or not Jesus was the Son of God is a different issue than whether or not God real.

Actually Jesus was not the Son of God or a Son of God. Jesus was God.

Matthew tells us: The child would be God with us (in the flesh), as prophesied.

Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Jesus said:

John 10:30 I and [my] Father are one.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

Jesus went into the House of God and cleaned it up.

Matthew 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

21:13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Mark 2:7 Why doth this [man] thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)

The Jews killed Jesus because He claimed to be God.

John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

After seeing the crucified and risen Jesus Thomas testified:

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Izanagi writes:

who am I to believe?

You can believe anything you desire to believe.

I gave you scripture that supports my position.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 53 of 74 (530406)
10-13-2009 11:31 AM

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10-13-2009 11:07 AM

Re: Faith

Hi hooah,

hooah writes:

hmm????? Who is jesus' father then?

He does not have one as He is God.

I can't help it if the writers could not understand that God and the Son was the same entity just a different manifestation.

I don't expect you to understand it either.

Most clergy I know today can not even understand it. Many just accept it.

I have no problem with God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit being one entity. I am in their image, mind, body and spirit.

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Message 55 of 74 (530410)
10-13-2009 11:37 AM

Reply to: Message 51 by bluescat48
10-13-2009 10:44 AM

Re: Flood legends on all continents.

Hi cat,

bluescat48 writes:

Sure deserts have floods since most are relatively flat. Still no flood stories in mountain areas which was the premise of my last post.

Who says there was mountains when the flood occured.

There was mountains when Moses was doing his writing.

According to the Bible all the land mass was in one place and could have been relatively flat like my avatar shows.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 63 of 74 (530504)
10-13-2009 8:12 PM

Reply to: Message 54 by hooah212002
10-13-2009 11:36 AM

Re: Faith

Hi hooah,

hooah writes:

So this is allegory then? God is talking to himself? Why would God need to be baptized?

The Mental, Spiritual manifestation of God is speaking to those present concerning the Physical God man.

He didn't need to be baptized.

He just set an example and say's follow me.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 64 of 74 (530509)
10-13-2009 8:32 PM

Reply to: Message 57 by Dr Jack
10-13-2009 11:54 AM

Re: Flood legends on all continents.

Hi Mr Jack,

Mr Jack writes:

When they see the "mountain tops" visible above the receding flood waters, they're not real mountains? What about "Mount Ararat" when the Ark comes to rest? Is that not a real mountain?

Noah did not say anything about seeing mountains. Moses wrote about the mountains because they existed at the time he was writing. God did not explain every detail to him. But maybe he should have known as he told us the earth was divided in the days of Peleg. But like us he keep letting the things he could see get in the way.

hooah in Message 56 you did raise a good point as scientifically the division recently would have been impossible. But apparently the creation in Genesis 1:1 is also scientifically impossible.

But God does not let me, you or science limit Him, He does as He pleases.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 65 of 74 (530514)
10-13-2009 9:09 PM

Reply to: Message 58 by Peepul
10-13-2009 12:04 PM

Re: Flood legends on all continents.

Hi Peepul,

Peepul writes:

Ararat?

I never heard a rock talk but they can tell a story.

I lived on top of a mountain in the Caribbean Ocean that the highest evelation above sea level is presently 30 feet. Little Cayman is 1 mile wide and 7 miles long, 43 feet above sea level is the highest point. On the south side of these Islands is the Cayman Trough which is 25,000+ feet deep.

So why would there be a problem with the pre-flood land mass looking like my avatar?

Especially if it was the only land mass sticking out of the water at that time?

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 66 of 74 (530516)
10-13-2009 9:30 PM

Reply to: Message 61 by roxrkool
10-13-2009 5:42 PM

Re: Flood legends on all continents.

Hi rox,

roxrkool writes:

Not only that, but even the ancients mined metallic resources and you'd be hard-pressed to find enough of them without mountains.

Has the earth always had oceans of water?

Or was it competely dry at one time even molten?

As I understand it there are massive mountain ranges under the water at present. But maybe I am wrong.

The earth had mankind creatures far into the distant past prior to Genesis 1:2. They were not like modern mankind who was created in the image/likeness of God as recorded in Genesis 1:27 some 6,000+ years ago.

At Genesis 1:2 there was no land mass above water as it was all covered.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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