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Calypsis4
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Message 122 of 182 (528107)
10-04-2009 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Dr Jack
10-03-2009 10:00 AM


Re: Cancer and the true cross
Wow, you really think that laminins are little crosses put there by God to demonstrate his wonder, don't you? I'm... baffled at how someone can buy into something so obviously absurd.
Absolutely. The 2,000 yr old text says that all things are held together by God's Son, the one who died on the cross and His symbol is connecting every living thing on earth. It's pretty obvious it wasn't coincidental.
You feel that way because you do not know the Lord. Had you known Him or seen His power as we Christians have (at least, some of us) then you wouldn't be saying things like that.
No matter how Laminin appears though the microscope in its function in living cells it is always diagrammed like this:

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Calypsis4
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Message 129 of 182 (529120)
10-08-2009 10:13 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by DevilsAdvocate
10-05-2009 5:29 AM


Re: Pentagrams and pentagons
People believe what they want to believe. It is called pareidolia
But none of those examples were preceded by an ancient text telling mankind that by the God of such symbols 'all things are held together'.
Colossians 1: 16-18 preceded the discovery of Laminin by 2,000 yrs.
[thumb=300]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/laminin-large.jpg[/thumb=300]

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Calypsis4
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Message 132 of 182 (529148)
10-08-2009 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by SammyJean
10-08-2009 12:36 PM


Re: Pentagrams and pentagons
Draw the diagram a little different:
Nope. You're just stretching things like the others.
Besides that, as I have challenged them I challenge you to come up with an ancient text of scripture outside the Bible that teaches that the 'god' they believe in holds all things together and that his symbol is the very thing that does this.

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Calypsis4
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Message 136 of 182 (529158)
10-08-2009 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by DevilsAdvocate
10-08-2009 12:49 PM


Re: Pentagrams and pentagons
Here are some pictures of the protein laminan that should dispel this laminin=cross=God myth.
laminin-10 in colon cancer metastasis
You can't dispel the truth. That's the way God made Laminin and when it is diagrammed it always looks like:
[thumb=200]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/laminin-large.jpg[/thumb=200]
As for the fact that Laminin can degenerate (cancer), so what? There is nothing in scripture that says that there is something about the physical body that will not be subject to sickness, disease, or destruction. The physical cross (wood) upon which Jesus died degenerated and is no longer in existence. We live in a perishing world so degeneration is the order of the hour. Cancer is the result of the sin and rebellion of mankind against God. Neither Laminin nor any other cell in living organisms were created that way. It happened since the fall of man into sin.<!--AB-->
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Calypsis4
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Message 138 of 182 (529188)
10-08-2009 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by Izanagi
10-08-2009 2:19 PM


Re: Pentagrams and pentagons
And once again we delve into "God did it" territory.
And somehow you think that that is a problem for the Almighty who has all power and all wisdom.
You really don't realize, however, that by eliminating God from the equation you must replace it with "nature did it" and your problem is many fold the more in the way of credulity than you think I have for my beliefs.
Creationists never hypothesized the existence of the laminin and have no right to accept it into their theology
Says you. Since when are you the dictator of what Christians can claim or not claim? But you will not escape the fact that the ancient text of scripture says, "by Him (Christ) all things consist" and that He upholds "all things by the Word of His power". For years skeptics have challenged us Christians to give evidence for this truth. Now that we do so they flat out deny that Christs symbol (the cross upon which He died) is found in the very shape of the molecule that holds all living things together.
Science tells us: "The trimeric proteins form a CROSS, giving a structure that can bind to other cell membrane and extracellular matrix molecules."M. A. Haralson and John R. Hassell (1995). Extracellular matrix: a practical approach. Ithaca, N.Y: IRL Press. ISBN 0-19-963220-0. They were not 'talking religion'. They were scientists making an observation.
By analogy, what Laminin does in connecting the cells of the body by its joints and bands (cell binding) is just what Christ does for His 'body', the church.
"...holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God." Colossians 2:19.
But its there and its obvious and you and those of your persuasion will have to deal with it.
One other thing I wish you and the other skeptics to observe: Notice the definition: 'trimeric'. Laminin is composed of three parts; the b1 chain, the b2 chain and the spine. Three in one. Another coincidence, right?
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Calypsis4
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Message 140 of 182 (529193)
10-08-2009 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by Izanagi
10-08-2009 3:15 PM


Re: Pentagrams and pentagons
Again you miss the point.
Scripture did not predict such a thing would be found.
No, you are missing the point and you are doing it deliberately. I never said that the scriptures mentioned 'Laminin' per se. But they make if clear that Christ, who is co-Creator with the Father holds all things together. The truth is that HE is the binding element.

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Calypsis4
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Message 143 of 182 (529210)
10-08-2009 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Izanagi
10-08-2009 3:54 PM


Re: Pentagrams and pentagons
Once again, all you have done is twisted a discovery to support your idea.
You are in error, but I am not going to argue with you any longer.When we all stand before our Creator in the yet appointed day there will be no more arguments.

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Calypsis4
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Message 144 of 182 (529212)
10-08-2009 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by greyseal
10-08-2009 3:51 PM


Re: Pentagrams and pentagons
laminin isn't an element, doesn't look so rigidly cross-shaped, isn't mentioned in the bible and the DIAGRAM you keep referring to looks far more like the Greek.
No, it doesn't. It looks like the cross and I quoted secular scientists who said so themselves. Maybe you missed it.
"The trimeric proteins form a CROSS, giving a structure that can bind to other cell membrane and extracellular matrix molecules."M. A. Haralson and John R. Hassell (1995). Extracellular matrix: a practical approach. Ithaca, N.Y: IRL Press. ISBN 0-19-963220-0. They were not 'talking religion'. They were scientists making an observation.
Case closed.

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Calypsis4
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Message 147 of 182 (529229)
10-08-2009 4:58 PM
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10-08-2009 4:46 PM


Re: Pentagrams and pentagons
Where in the scripture does it say the the "cross" is gods symbol?
Galatians 6:12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
Galatians 6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Philippians 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

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Calypsis4
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Message 155 of 182 (529396)
10-09-2009 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 153 by DevilsAdvocate
10-08-2009 6:20 PM


BTW, just like the shape of the cross, the shape of the swastica is far older than that adopted by later cultures
You think THAT looks like a swastica? Nope.
Even so, even if it did, where is an ancient text believed by millions that tells us that the 'swastica' is the symbol of some 'god' that holds all things together?
Neither you nor your unbeleiving comrades will escape the truth of this matter no matter how hard you try.
[thumb=400]http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h106/Martyrs5/laminin-large.jpg[/thumb=400]

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Calypsis4
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Message 156 of 182 (529397)
10-09-2009 9:03 AM
Reply to: Message 152 by DevilsAdvocate
10-08-2009 5:49 PM


Re: Pentagrams and pentagons
AIG: "While I appreciate Mr. Giglio’s passion for the Word, I would suggest that this type of argument is not a good one to use"
AIG is wrong.

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Calypsis4
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Message 159 of 182 (529413)
10-09-2009 9:32 AM
Reply to: Message 158 by Dr Jack
10-09-2009 9:21 AM


Re: Methanol! The sign of the LORD
You're still missing the point. Like your comrades you don't WISH to get the point:
Science tells us: "The trimeric proteins form a CROSS, giving a structure that can bind to other cell membrane and extracellular matrix molecules."M. A. Haralson and John R. Hassell (1995). Extracellular matrix: a practical approach. Ithaca, N.Y: IRL Press. ISBN 0-19-963220-0. They were not 'talking religion'. They were scientists making an observation.

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Calypsis4
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Message 164 of 182 (529434)
10-09-2009 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 160 by Dr Jack
10-09-2009 9:37 AM


Re: Methanol! The sign of the LORD
Yes, it looks a bit like a cross, although as demonstrated by the actual pictures earlier in this thread, it doesn't look very like a cross
That conclusion was not mine but secular scientists. It doesn't look a 'bit' like a cross. Stop being dishonest. They said it correctly but you don't like it.
I have nothing to say about the methanol. What point is there? The point I've made from the beginning is that there is an ancient text that tells us that the One who died on the cross 'holds all thing' together (Colossians) and 'it just to happens' that Laminin is (when diagramed) in the shape of the cross. The fact that in its function it bends and twists to other shapes is unimportant.

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Calypsis4
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Message 165 of 182 (529436)
10-09-2009 10:41 AM
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10-09-2009 10:33 AM


Re: Pentagrams and pentagons
Laminins are key in the formation and propogation of cancer. They do not "degenerate" to do this. Your little "crosses" carry right on in their usual form.
Mocker. I am going to avoid you from now on.
The very reason for sickness and disease in our world to begin with is because of human sin. Our sins are the reason why Jesus died on the cross to begin with. The cross is a picture of God's hatred for human sin in the first place. Jesus suffered in our place for all we've done wrong. So why would the fact that Laminin is subject to disease of any kind detract from the eternal truth that God gave us about the matter.

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Calypsis4
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Message 176 of 182 (530286)
10-12-2009 9:08 PM
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10-10-2009 2:22 PM


Re: Pentagrams and pentagons
The topic concerns your questions about the living cell, not religion. Please keep your focus on the topic, and as this is a science thread, please keep religious arguments out of the discussion.
I'll say it plainly, Mr. Administrator: you're nuts.
'Laminin' is a scientific subject. It is part of the subject that I STARTED in the topic post. You seem to be oblivious to the title of this website: CREATION vs evolution! How can we debate the subject if we cannot DISCUSS the existence or non-existence of the very entity in question; the question that is posed by the very name of this website?
You and your fellow bigoted administrators are out of your minds! You invite people such as me to join this board and participate and then you rebuke those who carry the CREATIONISM position to its logical conclusion: A CREATOR! I can't help it if you don't like talking about 'religion'. Go start another website and change the cotton picking name!
Do as you will with me, sir. You have ruined my attitude towards this board.

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