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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5244 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
I can see your cards mister. You know that this is the oldest fossil bat discovered so far, meaning that we've yet to discover anything bat-like enough to call an immediate transition. You're going all-in on the wild bet that such a fossil will never be found. I'll come right to the point: such fossils should have been found long ago just like the others. The problem is not a lack of fossils...there are billions to choose from and still trillions to unearth. But by now the steady stream of transitions between not just the bat, but virtually every single organism and other organisms should have not only be found, but be in abundance. The fact that you didn't give any evidence in reply to my challenge speaks loudly and clearly.
Doesn't the bible say bats are birds? The Mosaic classification system, which pre-dated Linnaeus by 3,300 yrs places the bat with flying creatures. It was a completely different system. The concept of 'mammal' did not exist at that time. 13"...they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray, 14 And the vulture, and the kite after his kind; 15 Every raven after his kind; 16 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind, 17 And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl, 18 And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle, 19 And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat. Leviticus 11:13-19 The divisions of the animal kingdom that Moses laid down depended upon the key differences: scales or no scales, flying & non-flying, crawling or non-crawling, cloven hoofed or otherwise, etc.
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5244 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
Your bat is onychonycteris finneyi, a 50-million-year-old (you are correct about the age) extinct species with some key differences to modern bats. Question: Are they 'bats'? Yes/no If your answer is 'yes' then I rest my case. Where are the transitions between 'my' bat and different modern organisms that it evolved into? There aren't any, dear. Unless you can demonstrate a clear anatomical/morpholigocal change of bats into another kind of organism...a la ape/like to man then you are forced to concede this point. My prediction: you won't. Those who are emotionally committed to a lie are not going to admit it no matter what. I am talking about a change that is as startling as what is imagined between something like this:
Into something like this:
But you and I both know you cannot do this. You can't even touch it. And the problem is not just with bats, but flowers, ferns, conifers, bacteria, pigs, horses, and virtually every other organism under consideration. It takes a healthy imagination to fill in all those huge gaps. But then, what would bats 'evolve' into? Something like this?
If you were to find something like this in the fossil record or as a 'living fossil' then it would make a difference.
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5244 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
Dodge. Avoiding the question by pretending its silly to ask it, if the question is silly then it should be easy to answer..." You and your comrades in accidentalism are the ones dodging things. Where are the transitional forms preceding the bat given in the topic post? Furthermore: where are the transitional forms of the duckbilled platypus? Where are the transitional forms for fireflies? Those transitions cannot be found for them either BEFORE or AFTER they are discovered in the fossil record. The testimony of living fossils destroys biological evolution by itself.
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5244 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
Wow. Just, wow. Quote-mining the Bible, of all things. Now, just what did you snip out of that Leviticus 11:13 and insert the ellipsis? Hmm. Let's see. "And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; ..." That says quite clearly AMONG THE FOWLS. Really, sir (or madam). That was the rankest of dishonesty. No, that was not intentional. Are you so shallow that I would think that others would not look up the reference? Come on! I assumed that the one who challenged me already had done so. But answer this question: Did the Linneaus system exist in Moses time? Secondly, why are we beholden to Linneaus over the six other classification systems...all a bit different with some including some categories that others don't? Just remember this: Moses came first. If God calls it a 'fowl' then it is His determination that is bottom line and not Linnaeus.
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5244 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
And it takes a particular religious a priori belief, which supplies blinders and encourages a closed mind, to look at all of the empirical evidence and then deny just it. Yet this is what you have done on this thread. I am an ex-evolutionist. The pitiful reasoning I have seen on this thread in the last four days makes me feel glad I rejected that ridiculous theory. Evolution is such a joke.
You really should be posting in the Faith forums, as what you're doing here is not science. It is in fact anti-science. Mostly you keep repeating the same point, which has been well-refuted. Rather than deal with the refutations, you just repeat the same point again and again. You seem to be proselytizing, not debating. This is the 'CREATION vs evolution' website. Are you so naive as to think that you would not confront those who believe in a real CREATOR?Stop your complaining. Also, hominid evolution is well established both by fossils and genetics, and is denied only by the more extreme varieties of creationists. Again, this is anti-science. Well established only in the minds of those who believe as you do. But in this country; USA, the majority still believe in divine creation. Gallup, 2008:Those who believe in divine creation: 44% Those who blieve God caused evolution: 34% Those who believe no God but in evolution: 14% The rest were uncommited: 8%
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5244 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
Not in science. You don't know your history. Moses was trained in the arts and sciences of Egypt. But what he taught in Leviticus was from God. God has the final word whether you like it or not. This is His world. Do you really want me to proceed with the rest of my illustrations concerning living fossils? I've got lots more, friend and massive overkill is no problem for me. There is no evolution on this planet and never has been. Those who believe it are dreaming. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5244 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
Explain to us please how a bat is more like a chicken than it is like a mouse. Why? If the classification by Moses concerns flying creatures (fowls) as opposed to those that don't fly ("All fowls that creep") Leviticus 11;20 then what is the point? Do not attempt to force the Linneaus classification system on to the Mosaic classification. They don't comport and it isn't a fair comparison.
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5244 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
I will henceforth begin issuing short suspensions for posts with no on-topic content. If you've posted completely off-topic before seeing this, fix it quick. Just saw this. Understood.
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5244 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
Demonstrate for us, using whichever method you choose to hold open to your embarrassment and general ridicule, why exactly we should have found all the fossils by now. Embarrassed? You are the ones who should be embarrassed. The bat example alone was priceless! The living fossils smash evolution, but like I said earlier, 'corpses standing near ground zero in a nuclear blast will feel nothing.' Can you grasp that? Do you get the inference? I didn't say anything about 'finding all the fossils by now'. Why don't you THINK? Why don't you be honest? There are 40 million fossils catalogued in the London Museum of Natural History alone. I've been there. But in the words of Colin Patterson, who was once curator of that great museum, the transitions are missing. Of the living fossils that I have revealed in the last four days, there should be thousands, nay, millions of transitions linking every kind of orgaism on this planet. But evolutionists can't find any (or, better put, a few that are highly disputable).
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5244 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
You still don't get it. No, it is you and your comrades that don't get it. You have all been hit in the face with the force of a sledge hammer (so to speak) and yet arrogantly assume that evolution is still a legitimate theory. Perhaps I should go on with the rest of my examples but I told the administrator that I was only going to answer questions and move on. I better live up to that. The problem is the questions just keep coming...but they are so pitiful! For instance: There are living fossils that have hardly changed in billions of years. They are called stromatolites. If these organisms don't worry biologists, why should any of your examples? Because they have been trained to syphon out ANYTHING that would tend to overthrow the pure prejudice that the world is millions of yrs old, that's why. That's the way I felt while I was an evolutionist. I no longer buy it and the living fossils is one big reason why I don't. Mary Schwietzer's FIRST question when she discovered the T-Rex blood cells was "Those bones are 65 million yrs old. How could they survive that long?" A logical question since science had 'established' that such soft tissue discoveries had to be less than 50,000 yrs old. So instead of doing the logical thing and questioning evolutionary dates, she and her comrades question the timing of soft tissue survival! You see, it is the paradigm that of 'god' to evolutionists. That must be preserved at all costs. A young earth is not acceptable no matter what.
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5244 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
And, again, you fail to support your argument using living fossils Look, friend, if you wish to live in la la land and pretend that living fossils do not destroy the theory of biological evolution then I can't stop you. But it does. There is little or no change in biological organisms...no matter how much time has transpired between the dead and the living.
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5244 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
More conspiracy theory rhetoric. Gosh, granny, I just can't do anything to please you.
Why are living fossils evidence against evolution? You will find your answer between the topic post and this one; about 30 times. Happy reading!
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5244 days) Posts: 428 Joined: |
None of the other participants understands why living fossils, for which we're using bats as an example, are evidence against evolution. I think it would help move the discussion along if you could provide more details about how a living creature very similar to an extinct creature disproves evolution. Sir, you left me with my mouth hanging open. How could I do any better than what I have already revealed? The bat example alone is priceless. They can't answer it. There is NO evolution of the bat from one kind to another anywhere in the fossil record either before or after that first/oldest fossil. Sure their are variations among bats but they are all still bats. Nothing like this:
But what you see above is true of all the others I posted in one way or another. How could I possibly make a stronger argument? I am trying hard to be respectful to you. But I will admit I am getting physically weary of answering the barrage of questions that are coming my way. Both my back and my head are feeling it. I will take a rest and come back to do as you suggested. Hope this will suffice. Have a nice evening.
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5244 days) Posts: 428 Joined:
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So, I know you're going to say "Yes, but it's still a bat." Yes, but it's still a bat. I'm really tired. Maybe more tomorrow.
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Calypsis4 Member (Idle past 5244 days) Posts: 428 Joined:
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Bullshit. I called your challenge nonsense and answered it with an equally nonsensical challenge to show that it is nonsense It is my hope that you are removed from this website for that statement. Your posts will not be read from this point on.
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