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Theodoric
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Message 52 of 173 (510098)
05-27-2009 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by traste
05-25-2009 1:47 AM


Maybe it would help if you learned things about this forum
The message your replying to is over 2 years old. It is kind of bad form to go through an old thread and try to rehash stuff. But more importantly you see the red circle with the white line next to the posters name? Means the poster is suspended. If you mouse over you will see jar is indefinitely suspended. Means jar ain't coming back. You are not going to get a reply.
Instead of just posting lame retorts how about something original. Or when you pose a question like you do, maybe a little evidence to back up your comments. I made a comment last week that I will not respond to you because you are just a troll, but I am hoping maybe by giving you a few pointers you might improve and add some substance to these debates.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 95 of 173 (520280)
08-20-2009 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by traste
08-20-2009 12:20 AM


Re: you are ignorant
Do you misrepresent willingly, are you just ignorant or are you a Liar for Jesus?
That process is not really good, infact astronomer Carl Sagan once said mutation is "lethal".
Amazing what you get when you quote mine and take things out of context. What it does is make you look dishonest and your arguments weak.
quote:
The evolution of life on Earth is a product of random events, chance mutations, and individually unlikely steps.
Carl Sagan, The Cosmic Connection (1973), p. 43.
quote:
Mutationssudden changes in hereditybreed true. They provide the raw material of evolution. The environment selects those few mutations that enhance survival, resulting in a series of slow transformations of one lifeform into another, the origin of new species.
Carl Sagan, Cosmos (1985), p. 27
So Sagan did not believe that all mutations were lethal. He understood the importance of mutations. This is a lame canard brought out regularly by you creationists.
Please supply the source for the original assertion, so that we can see it in its context. How about just supplying the original quote.
Edited by Theodoric, : punctuation

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Theodoric
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Message 106 of 173 (525316)
09-22-2009 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by traste
09-22-2009 12:59 AM


Re: you are ignorant
It is not out of context,what Iam implying is that mutation is not beneficial, since out of 1000 only only one is succesful,that is the real reason why I qoute Sagan.
No, no that was not what your original post said or implied.
This is what you originally said in Message 91
Traste writes:
That process is not really good, infact astronomer Carl Sagan once said mutation is "lethal".
Your implication here is that Sagan was saying all mutations were lethal. You can try to claim otherwise but that is the clear implication of what you said. You would not have mentioned it if you did not want it to be taken that way.
Oh were you able to find the original source for him saying that. I do not see that you ever provided one. I am not saying you don't have one but I would love to see the context.
I know also that qoute,he is implying that mutation serve as a "raw material for evolution" but they cannot because most of them as he wrote are "lethal"
How does the fact most mutations are lethal mean that they cannot be the raw materials for evolution? Please explain how this works. I mean more than just you assert it is so. I guess evidence is what I mean.
Does the qoute most of them are "lethal" means to you all mutations are lethal? Or you are just so defensive that is why you cannot comprehend properly.
Your habit of making personal attacks when you cannot make an argument is getting very wearying. Do you think maybe you can support your arguments instead of lashing out? You have been caught misrepresenting Carl Sagan and have yet provided no evidence to show your side. You might want to try to or acknowledge you argument was flawed. Or maybe you might want to just lash out with personal attacks again.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 107 of 173 (525318)
09-22-2009 10:20 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by traste
09-22-2009 12:02 AM


Re: you are ignorant
Why should I give you the complete source if after all you just call them bullshit for the simple reason that you dont like?
So you have no source. Typical.
In this reply to Huntard and your reply to Dr. Adequate you provide no evidence or even a hint of an argument.
Why not research about the law of recurrent variation so that you will know.
You do know there is no scientific law called this don't you. If you have any evidence such a scientific law exists please present it.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 109 of 173 (525689)
09-24-2009 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by traste
09-23-2009 10:52 PM


Re: you are ignorant
Forgive me, if I , forgot to wrote the word "most"
Why did you make no attempt to change this until you were called on it? And then even then claim you were correct. I am sorry, but you have misrepresented quotes and facts many times on this forum. Of course I am going to point out something you say is not true. I, and others I am sure, are still waiting for a reference to the original Sagan quote you claim. I am quite sure I know the original, but do you? Or is it just a flippant creationist line that you got somewhere.
Soon we can debate this issue cogently and equitably,it doesnt mean however that Iam incapable of debating this issue cogently and equitably, becuase I did really employ it.
I have no clue what the end of this sentence means.
Let's debate this issue as real intellectual men, ad hominem attack is no help.
I have never claimed to be an intellectual and I am very wary of those who feel the need to claim themselves as such.
It is actually amusing when someone, that obviously does no know or understand a subject, tries to be condescending. You might try a little less of that, but then again it gives you an excuse to attack people instead of actually debating them.
How about replying to the substance of posts. Might make people less irritated by you.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Theodoric
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Message 112 of 173 (533031)
10-28-2009 9:43 AM
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10-28-2009 12:41 AM


Scientific laws
Actually it exist and it's not alone,the others are the cell theory,the law of biogenesis,and many others. But those things for you and other poponents evolution doesnt exist, because for you and for other proponents of evolution there is no other explanation of the origin of life other than unguided material process.
Do you actually know how science works? One person cannot suddenly claim there is a law.
Please provide evidence that there is a scientific law called "law of recurrent variation".
Since you have no sources for other assertions I do not expect much evidence for this claim either.

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