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Drosophilla
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Message 25 of 121 (523331)
09-09-2009 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Rahvin
08-26-2009 2:46 PM


Re: Benevolence
Hi Rahvin,
I'd just like to say both your posts (no.10 and no.18 in this thread) are superb. Post 10 says everthing i've felt myself re religion for years - possibly the only extra thing i'd add is that i hate the way religion is used to indoctrinate children from a very young age to warp their rationalitly for ever - i think that is as worse (maybe even more so) than physical child abuse!
And post 18 is very inspired - and i think dead on the mark. The sad thing is that once a religious belief has been internalized it is very difficult to get at that person.
I am curious Rahvin. Your profile doesn't say where you are from but i'm guessing America where it almost impossible to escape the influence of christianity but you have emerged a rational thinking atheist despite their best efforts - that cannot have been easy. I'm from the UK where christianity is very much more in the periphery - and i had the added fortune of liberal parents who wanted me to think rather than be indoctrinated - so the only religous instruction i got was the one hour per week school compulsory lesson that was not in any way 'hard core'....
...yet i've still emerged with all those dislikes you list in post 10 and that's without the doctrine being forced upon me. I can only imangine what you have felt and fought against....congrats on coming out the right side - with your sanity and rationalism intact!

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Drosophilla
Member (Idle past 3672 days)
Posts: 172
From: Doncaster, yorkshire, UK
Joined: 08-25-2009


Message 27 of 121 (523344)
09-09-2009 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Rahvin
09-09-2009 3:52 PM


Re: Benevolence
It's a very tough call. The formative years of childhood are so influential on our basic values and thought processes later in life that whatever you teach a child could be considered "indoctrination" from various points of view. It's difficult, however, to honestly say that parents should be prevented from raising their children in accordance with their own conscience. Were I to have children, I'd want to raise them according to my values and my beliefs and would resent the intrusion of anyone else into that process. I sympathize with religious parents at the same time that I abhor the results. I don't think there's an easy answer to this. I would agree that raising children in an atmosphere that stifles free thought and rationality to the degree that some religious teachings do does a massive disservice for those children later in life...but Christians for example would consider not teaching children about their faith an even greater disservice, as failure to adhere to their belief system results in eternal damnation.
Agreed, I for one wouldn't like anyone to be told what and when to teach their children. I should have made clear that it's the educational indoctrination of some school systems I disagree with. Why should one religion be forced down a child's throat in the name of cultural education..."you know we are a christian nation here and that's what we must teach you". And as I understand from reading sites such as this - the schools across much of the U.S (certainly many in the southern states) are now facing the prospect of religion in the science classes (i.e I'D taught alongside - or heaven forbid, instead of the ToE) as well as hardcore religion in the R.E lessons.
Thanks for the insight of your upbringing - it makes me marvel all the more at your successful separation from it. I've often wondered if I'd had such an upbringing whether I would have fared as well.
Really glad I've found this site - there's a lot of kindred spirits here. In my everyday life no-one around me is interested in the debate of evolution v creationism and it's fascinated me for quite a while...

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