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LudoRephaim
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Message 1 of 12 (522303)
09-02-2009 12:18 PM


On the 3rd season of monsterquest a corpse foud on a mexican ranch was examined; it at first appeared to me to be a skinned monkey, but the braincase and feet were different, the skin was still there (a type of ultra-thin skin, unusual), there was no tampering with the body (like you would find on say the fiji mermaid or a skinned monkey), I think no roots for the teeth, and no DNA was found. It was on the episode "terror from the skies". The episode is on Monsterquest website right now, as well as on youtube. I will shortly provide a link to one or both and i ask for those wanting to respond to watch the episode first and then write your conclusions;
Mine; the pic of the beast supposidly taken while it was still alive seems suspicious, but the evidence found out about the corpse cannot be denied. It needs further testing to make absolutely sure as to what it is. It appears similar to some depictions of el Chupacabras, but it was not on an episode of Chupacabras (on flying humanoid sightings). Very odd.
go to this link,
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And go to where you can watch recent episodes. it should be there
Comments?
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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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LudoRephaim
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Message 2 of 12 (522305)
09-02-2009 12:23 PM


pic
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"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 3 of 12 (522522)
09-03-2009 8:06 PM
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09-02-2009 12:18 PM


Comments?
Yes.
You don't really believe that a Chupacabre exists, do you?
They already figured out what it was. It's DNA is identical to that of a coyote, which makes it none other than a coyote.

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LudoRephaim
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Message 4 of 12 (522549)
09-03-2009 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Hyroglyphx
09-03-2009 8:06 PM


Existence of El chupacabras?
Hello Hyroglyphx.
You don't really believe that a Chupacabras exist, do you?
I keep an open mind to a point. However your right; a large number of Chupacabras corpses found were dogs or Coyotes (on Monsterquest, one was a Coydog, a Coyote/dog cross, and interesting find in and of itself). That's probably how most, if not all the Chupacabras hysteria started; heavily manged canines, or perhaps with some other skin disease or a stonger form of mange.
The animals found dead in Puerto Rico, where the Chupacabras was first made public, turned out not to have been sucked dry of blood; they had just been killed and not eaten period. Some suspected a invasive monkey brought to the island years ago.
BTW: like your Icon. And the info on the chup i talked about here can be found on the same Monsterquest show on them. Its funny how the early chup sightings depicted an animal resembling a "grey" alien (the type most seen in america by UFO abductees, most likely from slep paralysis).

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LudoRephaim
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Message 5 of 12 (522795)
09-05-2009 12:08 AM
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09-03-2009 8:06 PM


BTW..........
BTW; what is your opinion on other cryptids (Sasquatch, Loch Ness Monster, super Octopi, etc)?

"The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 6 of 12 (522800)
09-05-2009 3:06 AM
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09-05-2009 12:08 AM


Re: BTW..........
what is your opinion on other cryptids (Sasquatch, Loch Ness Monster, super Octopi, etc)?
Unlikely, but there have been some creatures known to elude human detection for long periods of time. There was a time when scientists declared that they had, with complete confidence, found all four-legged animals in the world. Yet in the early 1990's a new species of deer was discovered in Vietnam that was unknown to science.
I know the seas are still teeming with yet discovered creatures. Not long ago the idea of "giant squid" was little more than myth until scientifically verified.
There's always a possibility, but some creatures are more remote in possibility than others.

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LudoRephaim
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Message 7 of 12 (522851)
09-05-2009 4:29 PM
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09-05-2009 3:06 AM


Re: BTW..........
I know the seas are still teaming with yet undiscovered creatures.
It has been estimated that we have only explored 5% of the ocean. It would be ludicrious to think that there are no large sea creatures unknown to man.
Some lake monsters might be possible too, due to the vastness of some lakes (Loch ness is both large and hard to see into. Sometimes they've hit something on sonar, othertimes not.)
Sasquatch-like critters are seen around the world, with some of them having a strong scientific possibility (Yeti, Yeren, Almas) while others seem to defy natural law (Big Grey Man of scotland).
The American sasquatch has a lot going for it;
upteenkillion prints (footprints, nuckle prints, hand prints, butt prints, one body print, hair stiratons in the latter at least)
Close examination of prints showing some with dermal ridges, imprints of sweat glands, midtarsal ridge (where the foot bends in the middle, found in no-human apes)
Sightings going back to leif erickson (8th century)
Native American knowledge (including cave art)
food supplies (cams, lichen, meat, etc)
and so on.
One good argument against it would be why one hasn't been hit by a car and made available to the public. But to me it doesn't outweigh the other evidence.
For info on sasquatch, see Jeff meldrum's "Sasquatch; legend meets science" and Loren Coleman's "Bigfoot: the true story of apes in america.
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Message 8 of 12 (522876)
09-06-2009 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by LudoRephaim
09-02-2009 12:23 PM


Re: pic
That looks like a hoax to me.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 9 of 12 (522878)
09-06-2009 12:37 AM
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09-05-2009 3:06 AM


Re: BTW..........
Unlikely, but there have been some creatures known to elude human detection for long periods of time. There was a time when scientists declared that they had, with complete confidence, found all four-legged animals in the world. Yet in the early 1990's a new species of deer was discovered in Vietnam that was unknown to science.
I know the seas are still teeming with yet discovered creatures. Not long ago the idea of "giant squid" was little more than myth until scientifically verified.
There's always a possibility, but some creatures are more remote in possibility than others.
When the difficulty of science to declare an active species come up, it reminds me of the game-cam motion detector photos I have seen of Mountain Lions in Missouri[ (that's the first Google hit).
As far as I know, the conservation office still holds the position of there not being a breeding population in MO, that being the "scientific" explanation.
I've seen that there's enough of them out there to be caught on random game-cams, which I think suggest a breeding population.
It kinda reminds me of the "Immaterial Evidence" thread where I should probably be doubting that the photo I saw was real because that's a more likely explanation than there actually being something out there that hasn't been repeated, replicated, and verified by the almighty science. Which is the impression I'm getting from the skeptics in that debate that the argument ultimately comes down to.
Which I think I'll link to now.

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Message 10 of 12 (522916)
09-06-2009 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by LudoRephaim
09-05-2009 4:29 PM


Re: BTW..........
It has been estimated that we have only explored 5% of the ocean. It would be ludicrious to think that there are no large sea creatures unknown to man.
I wouldn't say ludicrous, but certainly within the realm of possibility.
Some lake monsters might be possible too, due to the vastness of some lakes (Loch ness is both large and hard to see into. Sometimes they've hit something on sonar, othertimes not.)
There have been several independent studies on Nessie(s) and most of them conclude that there would not be enough food to sustain creatures of that size. Loch Ness isn't all that big, relatively speaking either. Since it is said to be a creature that does not have gills, it would have to surface for air fairly often, like a whale. One would expect that it would have been unambiguously discovered by now.
Sasquatch-like critters are seen around the world, with some of them having a strong scientific possibility
There is only one piece of evidence that really makes me question the veracity, and that is the most famous footage. What makes it compelling is that you can actually see the musculature flexing. I don't think that in 1968 that much detail could have gone in to a man walking around in a suit. Other than that, for me there is no other reason to assume their existence.
But believe me when I say, I'm rooting for their existence!

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LudoRephaim
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From: Jareth's labyrinth
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Message 11 of 12 (522941)
09-06-2009 6:39 PM
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09-06-2009 12:25 AM


Re: pic
hey caholicscientist
That looks like a hoax to me.
I had the same thought when i found out it was supposed to be of the creature whil it was still alive. On the MQ episode the people who found it reported that it was ferocious and lashed out at anyone who came near it. The photo looks as if it was still, almost mounted. And the trap seems to have cut off its right hand, yet a piece of the right arm can be seen protruding from the top of the trap, an area you would not expect to see the new blunt end of the arm to be. The scientific examinations were intriguing, but the backstory to this supposed photo is the strongest evidence for hoaxing to me.
I just wonder if you can fool forensic scientists (the main body of scientists who examined the corpse) into believing that it was a legit, unaltered cadaver.

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LudoRephaim
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Message 12 of 12 (522944)
09-06-2009 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Hyroglyphx
09-06-2009 10:27 AM


Re: BTW..........
there have been several independent studies on nessie(s)and most of them conclude that there would not be enough food to sustain creatures of that size.
Did the studies indicate whether there was enough food for a Wels catfish that might find itslf someohw in the loch (Wels catfish can weigh upwards of 660 lbs and have been a canidate for Nessie. Some sightings of Nessie describe a large fish, they live in europe, i think western Asia)
There have been sightings of other types of monsters in the Loch; along with big fish (perhaps based on Sturgeon or Wels), there have been sightings of giant Salamanders, Hippos, even a hybrid of camel and horse on land near the Loch.
Did the studies have any say on whether the Loch could sustain an individual animal the size of supposed nessie, one hat somehow found its way into Loch Ness?
...the most famous footage.
The Patterson-Gimlin film. Several people have come foward saying that they or someone they knew hoaxed te video, but they never produced enough evidence to show that this was true. Jeff Meldrum debunked bth major claims in his book. Plus the individual creature in the film has been calculated to have been 7 feet 4 and weigh 700 lbs. None of the supposed hoaxers approach this size, nor were heavy enough to leave tracks indicating a brute the size of Andre the Giant or bigger (I believe that Gimlin, upon looking at the prints of the beast in the video, thought that the creature might have weighed 400 or 500 lbs. This was a first guess; the film evidence shows a bigger animal)

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