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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 829 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Seems that there'd be room for a fair few animals to me.. So a fair few is.....how many? Specifically please. Ok, at least an estimate that is a number. 5? 100? 5000? 100,000? how do insects not fall through the cracks in this woven monstrosity? How many other woven ships have you seen documented that would shed light on this hypothesis and support the fact that Noah knew how to weave, WEAVE a ship seaworthy for a year?
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
quote: I've no idea but the tonnage above allows us to at least suppose there could be many. The OP has to do with wondering about vessel mechanics - not every issue arising out of the ark account.
quote: I'm not supposing anything I don't have to suppose. I'm told a large craft took to water and that it rained alot. I only need it to float and stay together sufficiently well on water to last for the duration. I've supposed half in, half out of the water in the post above. Lets agree that the lowest deck was 6ft above normal water level to provide a margin of comfort and that the hole in the roof was to allow giraffes to stand up and stretch their legs from time to time. Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
So a fair few is.....how many? Specifically please. Ok, at least an estimate that is a number. 5? 100? 5000? 100,000? As I say, this isn't really the concern of the thread. It's about the floatability of a boat.
how do insects not fall through the cracks in this woven monstrosity? Maybe Noah brought an unwoven box with him?
Noah knew how to weave, WEAVE a ship seaworthy for a year? It's like knitting, is weaving. It's relative easy and if you just keep going the garment will get bigger and bigger. And the aim is more float than sea ..worthy Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 829 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
I'm not supposing anything I don't have to suppose. I'm told a large craft took to water and that it rained alot. I only need it to float and stay together sufficiently well on water to last for the duration. But your model wouldn't. Go throw a wicker basket on a lake and see if it is still floating after even a week with maybe 1 rainy day. Not to mention it says cover it with pitch, inside and out. If it is woven, and meant to take on water, why cover it with pitch?
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 829 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
It's like knitting, is weaving. You just keep going and the garment gets bigger and bigger. That easy, eh? Gee, how come we haven't thought to build ships like this all along?
And the aim is more float than sea ..worthy To say seaworthy, I mean to withstand the obvious weather that created, and sustained, said flood. It has already been proven, by MANY on this forum alone, that it was not a matter of 8 people on a big boat chilling with a BBQ on the 4th of July on a nice calm lake. The WHOLE ENTIRE EARTH BECAME DRENCHED WITH WATER. Not exactly a pleasant sea experience, you think? The physics of it do not allow it. So, yes, your ship most definitely needs to be "seaworthy". Edited by hooah212002, : Typos
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Go throw a wicker basket on a lake and see if it is still floating after even a week with maybe 1 rainy day. The weaving isn't whats relevant to floatation, it's buoyancy. If the wicker sinks it isn't buoyant. Lots of woods are.
Not to mention it says cover it with pitch, inside and out. If it is woven, and meant to take on water, why cover it with pitch? To stop the wood becoming waterlogged and sinking perhaps?
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 829 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Do me a favor: take a step away from the bible and into reality for one second and actually think about what you are proposing.
A 400+ft boat, WOVEN, SO AS TO TAKE ON WATER, able to withstand 40 days and 40 nights of rain, enough of which to cover all mountains by 15 meters. Tel me with a straight face that seems plausible.......
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
That easy, eh? Gee, how come we haven't thought to build ships like this all along? Perhaps it's because it takes a lot more wood to build a raft capable of carrying the same load as a hollow hulled boat? Meaning it's cheaper to build a hollow hulled boat. And you get the benefit of increase storage volume (for the same weight carrying capacituy). These are very good reasons to avoid a woven raft.
To say seaworthy, I mean to withstand the obvious weather that created, and sustained, said flood. It has already been proven, by MANY on this forum alone, that it was not a matter of 8 people on a big boat chilling with a BBQ on the 4th of July on a nice calm lake. The WHOLE ENTIRE EARTH BECAME DRENCHED WITH WATER. Not exactly a pleasant sea experience, you think? The physics of it do not allow it. So, yes, your ship most definitely needs to be "seaworthy". We don't know where the ark was, for how long into the rains before it floated. We don't know how sheltered from wind and rain it was. There's a whole raft (oops) of unknowns about which we could speculate all day. At least we are far enough to have a simple-enough-to-construct vessel which will float without cracking to bits so as to leak its way to the bottom. Remember ventilation and poo-disposal characteristics too. Not things to be sniffed at.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Remember ventilation and poo-disposal characteristics too. Not things to be sniffed at. Creationism with a smile.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 829 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
In your hypothesis, sure. The thing is: IT'S NEVER BEEN DONE. SO you are purely speculating.
I, on the other hand, am going off of how every ship found in the history of finding shit (archeology)has been built, none of which are woven, all of which are built in the "typical" fashion. So, sure, your ship "works" in your hypothesis because it's not been tested. Maybe it has, and failed, which is why ships aren't built that way. Feel free to come back from left field with a solid hypothesis. Edited by hooah212002, : have=has
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 763 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Welcome aboard, so to speak, Hooah!
in the history of finding shit (archeology) I laughed out loud.
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Do me a favor: take a step away from the bible and into reality for one second and actually think about what you are proposing. A 400+ft boat, WOVEN, SO AS TO TAKE ON WATER, able to withstand 40 days and 40 nights of rain, enough of which to cover all mountains by 15 meters. Tel me with a straight face that seems plausible....... It's woven because that is a relatively easy structure to construct with basic tools and techniques. It's woven because that offers flexibility. It's woven so that wind and water flow through the structure rather than exert load on the structure. It's not woven to take on water I see far fewer problems here than I do with a ship and await something (technically) specific to support your ongoing sense of incredulity.
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Anything to avoid dealing with the leaky-planking brigade.
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iano Member (Idle past 1969 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
quote: Ship? Whose talking about a ship? A ships job is to go places; to be steered there and to propel itself or be propelled there. It typically has to keep an eye on construction costs too. This is a liferaft designed for a unique purpose. Money is no object. Of course you're not going to see it's design commonly used.
quote: What's to test? Rafts float on water (once made from lighter-than-water materials) and that's all this vessel is. The unanswerable question is whether this vessel had to manage storms and significant waves. If not then I don't see what the problem is. And it doesn't appear to me that you do either. Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9199 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
The unanswerable question is whether this vessel had to manage storms and significant waves. If there was no land then the storms and waves would be very significant. Did you read the post earlier about the roaring 40's? Message 21 RAZD writes: Note that the size of waves are proportional to the reach of the winds as well as their strength. The "roaring 40's" are called that for a reason -- the reach there circles the globe. With a global flood this would be a universal condition. Wind and waves unimpeded as they circle the globe. The waves that broke up the boats in your OP were peanuts by comparison. That about answers it. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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