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Author Topic:   Dinosaur-bird link in trouble?
Dr Jack
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Message 16 of 17 (514928)
07-14-2009 4:42 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Hyroglyphx
07-13-2009 4:54 PM


The article seemed to imply otherwise.
Given an inkling of a chance journalists would paint there as being a growing number of scientists with serious concerns about heliocentrism.
But there are a lot of differences between avian and therapods.
Yes, there are. But, neatly, many of these differences are bridged by basal avians (i.e. Archaeopteryx, or have turned out to have existed in therapods (i.e. feathers).
For instance avian are ectothermal and therapods are exothermal. If they were directly related, shouldn't we see some exothermic avian that survived? Those are some of the internal inconsistencies. I suppose I should have clarified. When I said "internal inconsistencies" I was referring to the organs.
Then again, we know next to nothing about therapod organs since they didn't survive decay. So I suppose we should assume more about what similarities that we do know about versus the proposed dissimilarities we only know of with avian.
So you're basing your argument on some stuff we don't know, rather than looking at what we can compare - interesting approach. Also, as others have already pointed out; there are good reasons to think that many theropods were endothermic - or at least on the path to homeothermy - whereas as other alternative ancestor groups show no such signs, and there are no fossil links and no linking features.

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Message 17 of 17 (515317)
07-17-2009 9:00 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by LudoRephaim
06-12-2009 11:31 AM


A great blog post on this
Publishing with a hidden agenda: why birds simply cannot be dinosaurs from Tetrapod Zoology delivers a complete and compelling slam dunk on this. The paper is far more flawed that I realised, key points from the post are: features they claim vital to avian respiration aren't present in all extant avians; the reconstruction used for the T. rex is from 1916 and misrepresents the area they want to draw conclusions from; and the authors track record of borderline dishonesty about this subject.
Read it yourself, it's good stuff.

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