God and the blind Tailors

Why does that God reveal itself in so many different ways then?All religions cannot be correct, but they can all be incorrect.

Why would the Hebrew God choose you when you worship Jesus, an obvious imposter?

Well I agree with your first sentence. I have to disagree with the second. Maybe I should say that it depends if one is a believer. That the religion describes or is made to fit the religion that doesn’t make too much sense. Christianity is made to fit Christianity? Its not an impossibility but I feel its not too probable. A religion describes the wishes and the attributes of the deity. Of course if you are an atheist/etc observer ”looking in’ I think your assessment would be more valid. Again I feel your statement sounds better if one is an atheist or non believer. In prehistory, when religions began* I feel like my idea of one God was valid. Early man were worshiping the creator even if they thought they were worshiping say a fertility deity. Yes, my ideas are arrogant I suppose, that wouldn’t make them wrong would it? I definitively wouldn't preach a sermon on the subject (I am maddeningly traditional the rare times that I do preach. So the one God thing is just some thoughts really, and if I were proven wrong it wouldn’t change anything. Upon self reflection I suppose my ideas are a way of simplifying a big mess! Or parents being parents would indoctrinate the children into their religion, perhaps brain washing and inserting the punch list that Bailey (and yourself) provided. Thanks for your reply.;{>

Disclaimer; I think it was Bailey who pointed out that I am very arrogant etc. I would like to say that I don't pretend to know anything with a 100% certainty, or in some cases a 1% certainty! I am simply throwing ideas out there.Anyway please don't mistake my style for arrogance, I am open to all ideas and faiths including all beliefs and non beliefs.That said...... onward! ~ Allow me comment on your last sentence first? I can not stress how correct you are! My philosophy of life and the 'here after' demand that nothing is certain in this universe. I think God designed it with that feature being certain.Yes God certainly designed the universe to be uncertain. Probabilities and chaos rule baby! They rule by the will of God. IMO.Now for your first statement. I am not exactly sure what you mean when you wonder why God reveals himself in many different ways. If you mean when God manifests in this temporal universe by the bush that does not consume or voices or visions or even Jesus (a special circumstance), I think its precisely because God has no physical form even though a couple of biblical figures allegedly viewed him. IMO God is atemporal and has no form that we would recognize.I hope I have clarified some things for you and thanks for your reply brother Brian....;{> Edited by RevCrossHugger, : No reason given.Edited by RevCrossHugger, : No reason given.

Imposter? Jesus? Well for the obvious reasons. I am a Christian and think that 'Jesus' was the prophesied one.We know all the arguments eh? “Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a Virgin shall conceive, and bear a Son, and shall call his name Immanuel,”*(Isaiah 7:14).In any case, the American Christians love for Israel even if you think is misplaced allowed her to begin to exist and has sustained her. Don't you think we have bigger fish to fry instead of creating strife and infighting within the ranks brother Brian?notes*......Immanuel means 'God is with us'.;{>
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Imposter? Jesus? Well for the obvious reasons. I am a Christian and think that 'Jesus' was the prophesied one.We know all the arguments eh? “Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a Virgin shall conceive, and bear a Son, and shall call his name Immanuel,”*(Isaiah 7:14).

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And the birth of the child was to be a sign of the coming defeat of Aram and Israel (Isaiah 7:16). Wasn't Jesus born a little late for that ?

Hi Rev, What I meant was why would that God reveal (as in informing us who it is) itself to Moses and Yahweh, to Muhammad as Allah (through Gabriel), and through countelss Hindu 'prophets' as Brahman?These provide quite a varied range to be based on the same being.

So far so good! Sometimes the obvious is so difficult to recognize! A good example is EMC2. And like discoveries that seem so obvious when stated. We all worship the same God whether we know it or not! Oops there is another one! I corrected my statement to say that I consider my religion MORE (caps for emphasis only) correct, probabilities my dear fellow probabilities! Maybe the concept is not as simple as it first seems!Again for emphasis; I choose to think the attributes that I assign to God areMOREcorrect than others. Not that I am 100% sure that I am more correct. See? That does not change the fact that God remains the same regardless of what I think. So you see, I can only hope that my version is more correct. I think it makes perfect sense. BTW, where did I say I was a 'different zealot'? No, I think that I am a more enlightened rabid radicalized (in my love for Jesus) zealot than most, that’s all. Eh Gads! Paganism! Well maybe it does, but while it may smack it doesn't mean it is paganism. No not at all. You see I use a B.A.D. Some architects use C.A.D. but I use biblical assisted design when describing God. I describe my build version of God with scripture. Well forgive my bluntness but you when you claim that you can extrapolate so much with so little I am a bit suspicious ! I should hire you as a shrink, except that your diagnosis is wrong. I am simply a device for Jesus, and I am at a loss of how to describe my beliefs any other way. I think the problem is that some of the members are hungry for the Christians to be thrown to the lions, and its you guys that are making this a personal issue. I simply stated an idea. If you look at the progression from there anyone can see who begins extracting personal ”teeth”. I would like to know how YOU know when someone is pretending? I thought that was Gods job? Perhaps you might ought not to measure from your own cup? In any case thanks for your reply. At least 10% of this one was on topic and not personal. All time huh? Hmmm' Well maybe it happens sometimes but I am not concerned as my methods, my paradigm are free of such horrors...: }> Edited by RevCrossHugger, : No reason given.

If he existed the he was obviously an imposter, another failed messiah. He clearly wasn't the prophesised messiah of the Tanakh. You should read the Old Testament sometime, then compare it with the NT, then discover what lengths the authors of the NT went to in their ripping out of context 'prophecies', and their general poor undertsanding of the OT. Apparently some better than others. Wonderful. Of course this prophecy, which isn't even messianic, cannot apply to anyone 'born' 700 years after this was given. The author of Matthew made a major error here Rev, you should read it in context. And supported her State terrorism as she slaughtered thousands of innocent Palestinian men, women, and children. It does indeed, but not in the way you and many other misinformed people think.Have a good one.

I was wondering what your educational credentials are and what your beliefs are if any? If you would rather them remain private I understand.; {>

My credentials and beliefs?

Sorry I should of used quote tags, yes Mr Brian yours. The reason I ask is because you challenged me to read the OT etc etc. even after I posted my history. I must inform you that to earn my station in life I have had to read the bible (which includes the OT) many times. I also am a professional speaker and of course occasionally preach.So I am curious why you seem to identify with a different faiths such as a Muslim or Palestinian etc etc...; {>

Hi Rev,Why don't you just deal with the assertions that Brian is making rather than wonder about why he makes them? Is he right or not.Those of us much less knowledgeable than you or Brian like to watch the back and forth. He's lobed one over the net; let's see you whack it.

B.A. (Hons) World Religions/History University of Stirling
M.Theology. University of Glasgow
Dip.ed Unversity of Stirling
Currently, M.A. Archaeology and Ancient History University of Leicester. Yes, but there are qualifications and there are qualifications. If someone has a qualification from a Christian college then obviously the material and lecturers would be biased towards that faith. I am an atheist, I don't identify with any religion.The slaughter of innocent Palestinians (and I am not saying all of them are innocent) by Israel is a brute fact.Anyway, onwards and upwards as they say.Your opinion on the 'prophecy' of Isaiah 7:14 appears to reflect the common misunderstanding that Christians have of that verse, have you looked at this prophecy in context?

Not many scholars still doubt that the historical Jesus existed. I am sure you could find hold outs that believe otherwise but they are in the same category as those that think we really didn’t go to the moon.I found your last thought a bit amusing. If you think that Jesus was a failure one or two thousands of millions of saved people (Christians) would disagree. Jesus changed the world, thank God. I had to do that to get out of seminary, at least I have a paper that tells everyone that is the case. Maybe you should write the Dean at Milligan and tell him I am masquerading as a graduate of his school? Of course that would be slander. Well you can always go back to school.Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a Virgin shall conceive, and bear a Son, and shall call his name Immanuel,”*(Isaiah 7:14). Well I am sorry if I don’t agree with your interpretation. I recognize that Jewish belief hasn’t considered Isaiah 7:14 as a messianic prophecy. Jewish scholars argue that its Christian misinterpretation. Why should I, a Christian give credence to a Jewish interpretation?

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And supported her State terrorism as she slaughtered thousands of innocent Palestinian men, women, and children.

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Of course there again that is your opinion. War is hell brother. If the Palestinian terrorists wouldn’t use the innocents as human shields there would be less collateral damage. I am sure you know one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist. That goes for nation states and governments as well. Think of a Hamas-led Palestinian government. Tell me seer how do I think? What smelly 'doo doo' that is ! Please, please don’t claim to know me, or have the ability to read minds, it’s silly. Perhaps if you tone down the rhetoric and the biased thinking we may be able establish a dialog, but I have been down this road before. Yes I will God (Jesus) willing. likewise.; {>Edited by RevCrossHugger, : No reason given.