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Doubletime
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Message 1 of 5 (512626)
06-19-2009 2:52 PM


I think it is wrong to teach evolution, abiogenisis and big bang as facts in school. Whats even worse is that most science books doesn't even mention that the odds for abiogenisis is impossible.
The reason I think the students should study the evidences for themselves is that -
* The recreations of human apes are very unsure (see piltdown neanderthal nebraska Archapitetus ) So instead students should see the fossils we have in the book. So they can study the fossils for themselves.
* Most evolutionist don't consider the "irreducible complexity argument " as valid because "any god that could design us must be even more complex." Students should get to study life and the universe from 100 percent neutral books and then later on decide if they think this argument is valid or not.
* Abiogenisis and Big Bang should really not be taught in science class rooms at all. I mean mostly because the odds for that happening are so immensely low that it will never happen. But students will get to study the different variations of abiogenisis and the big bang hypothesis and then later on decide if its even worth considering.
* Instead of reading that the fossils shows a detailed chain of life evolving, They should get to study the recreations themselves and believe if they think this is plausible.
Basically, I think it is a shame that evolution/big Bang/abiogenisis is being taught as a fact in school. It should be taught but only as a hypothesis. The students should without previously being taught by their teacher that evolution is scientific. Get to study the evidence for themselves.
Only fools believe without studying. All common hypotheses about the origin of life/universe should be taught along side with the evidence. Including Darwinism Theistic evolution Creationism the Korans view the hinduistic view and FSM.
I think the "evidence" for teaching Darwinism as a fact is invalid. And it is wrong to tell students it is a scientific fact since the students might disagree if they studied the evidences in advance.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Fixed spelling and grammar errors and tweaked formatting a bit. I point out that Doubletime's primary language is most likely not English.
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Fix topic title ("themselves", not "themselfs"). Yes, I know that English isn't your primary language.

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Message 2 of 5 (512665)
06-19-2009 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Doubletime
06-19-2009 2:52 PM


On hold
Message one, as presented, would (I prophesy) lead to one monster of a mess topic.
Going to study this further, but I wanted to put a hold on it before another admin promoted it.
Stand by for further message.
Adminnemooseus
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Redundant "would" removed.

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Message 3 of 5 (512815)
06-21-2009 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Doubletime
06-19-2009 2:52 PM


So, which facts are the ones you want "students to study the evidence themselves"?
I'm going to start this debate before releasing in from the proposed new topics forum. We shall later see what happens with it.
Science has determined a vast number of things, large and small, to be factual. Now, a teacher tells the students that many things are facts, with varying degrees of background information about how these facts were determined.
Now you are proposing that the teacher only present the background information, which at least in part also consists of facts that have their own backgrounds. The background information ultimately will be extremely complex, and probably ultimately consists of looking at vast amounts of details out in the real world of nature. Indeed, you probably will always have the option of looking at the background in greater detail.
So, for what facts do you wish the students be presented all this background information? All of them, or just the ones you find to be in conflict with your religious beliefs? And how detailed of a background do you propose to examine?
Adminnemooseus

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Doubletime
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Message 4 of 5 (512829)
06-21-2009 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Adminnemooseus
06-21-2009 8:59 AM


Re: So, which facts are the ones you want "students to study the evidence themselves"?
There are still alot of debattes going on about EvC so it should not be called a scientiffic fact.
Abiogenisis should not be taught as all. Even as it is mathematicly compleatly impossibel scientist still believes in it.
Religius beliefs ? So believing in abiogenisis or big bang isnt religius ?

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Message 5 of 5 (512842)
06-21-2009 2:05 PM
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06-21-2009 12:39 PM


Re: So, which facts are the ones you want "students to study the evidence themselves"?
I repeat:
So, for what facts do you wish the students be presented all this background information? All of them, or just the ones you find to be in conflict with your religious beliefs? And how detailed of a background do you propose to examine?
So, do you have any problems accepting scientific facts, other than biological evolution, abiogenisis (by the way, a Godly creation of life is one hypothesis of abiogenisis), and the big bang?
Adminnemooseus

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