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bluegenes
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Message 8 of 26 (510746)
06-03-2009 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Wounded King
06-03-2009 6:58 AM


Pasteur's law
Wounded King writes:
The other, all too often seen, side of this coin is when creationists talk about Pasteur's experiments as some ultimate disproof of abiogenesis in an origins of life context.
Oh yes! Even in peer reviewed papers.
NCBI
You've probably come across David Abel. About a third of the way down the introduction here, you can read:
quote:
If Pasteur and Virchow’s First Law of Biology (All life must come from previously existing life) is to be empirically falsified, direct observation of spontaneous generation is needed.
This paper was being discussed recently on William Dembski's blog, Uncommon Descent. So I chimed in at one point and pointed out that Pasteur's law, if taken to mean that "all life always came from previously existing life", would imply that life is eternal, and that that is falsified by cosmology.
I don't know who peer reviewed this paper, but it's really metaphysics, not "molecular science". It's wordy creationist crap.

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Message 12 of 26 (510759)
06-03-2009 9:59 AM
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06-03-2009 9:22 AM


Re: Pasteur's law
It was published here, apparently. I linked to the actual paper above.
International Journal of Molecular Sciences | An Open Access Journal from MDPI
The Wiki entry says:
quote:
The Journal aims at rapid publication of high quality research results while maintaining rigorous peer review process.
International Journal of Molecular Sciences - Wikipedia
Rigorous enough to have peer reviewers who think that Pasteur's law claims that life is eternal, apparently.

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Message 18 of 26 (510889)
06-04-2009 11:57 AM
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06-04-2009 10:23 AM


Re: Pasteur's law
I tried the 6th one down, as a sort of random choice.
http://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/10/5/2019/pdf
It struck me as a bit nutty, but harmless. A crank theory of order to explain life. See what you two think. Dawkins and Behe both get a mention.

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Message 20 of 26 (510892)
06-04-2009 1:02 PM
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06-04-2009 12:53 PM


Re: Pasteur's law
Mr Jack writes:
Oh. Yeah, that one's a bit special, isn't it?
It was a random choice. So far, for me, I've read that one and the Abel paper. It's looking as though Percy has a point! I'll try another at random to be fair.

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Message 21 of 26 (510895)
06-04-2009 1:36 PM
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06-04-2009 12:53 PM


Re: Pasteur's law
Next random choice:
http://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/10/4/1838/pdf
Seems interesting, although I'm not qualified to judge the chemistry. Nothing cranky about it. It's a hypothesis that "coenzyme-like" molecules performed the function of hereditary before the emergence of nucleic acids. Normal OOL stuff.
It might be better to look at stuff outside the OOL section if we wanted to judge the journal, because OOL is inevitably going to involve lots of speculative ideas. But this paper wasn't nutty.

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