Michimus writes:
Jesus clearly states "if". Also, man is obviously capable of becoming blameless before God (and even perfect) without Jesus:
thats fine if you want to believe that, but how do you reconcile ...
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1Kings8:46"In case they sin against you (for there is no man that does not sin)...
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1John1:8"If we make the statement: "We have no sin," we are misleading ourselves and the truth is not in us.."
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Ecclesiastes 7:20"For there is no man righteous in the earth that keeps doing good and does not sin."
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Psalm 143:2 "2And do not enter into judgment with your servant; For before you no one alive can be righteous"
The bible makes the point very clearly, that all people are sinners, that is to say, all have fallen below the perfect standard that God had intended for them.
Michimus writes:
This verse alone clearly demonstrates that salvation can be achieved without a savior. In fact, in this very book Job endures the punishments sent him in perfect form, glorifying God throughout. These actions are then rewarded by God.
Of course i agree that we can refrain ourselves from practicing or giving in to sin and Job is fine example of this. But we cannot assume that Job was a perfect man without the mark of sin. Job could not possibly have been sinless, but the sum total of what he did was what God required of him, considering the time when he lived and his circumstances. He pleased God; he did what God rightly expected of him. Thus he was faultless, blameless, perfect in that sense.
Also consider, Job eventually died & the scriptures tell us that death is the result of sin. So if he died, it was because of sin.
"through Adam, sin entered into the world and death spread to All men because they had all sinned" Romans 5:12.
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