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Michamus Member (Idle past 5188 days) Posts: 230 From: Ft Hood, TX Joined: |
"ICANT" writes:
It doesn't matter how many people [dis]agree with your argument. Argument from Popularity
So I would like to present 3 verses of scripture from the King James Version Bible and find out if I am the only one that believes them.
"ICANT" writes:
Let us delve deeper into this matter:
In other words: Does Genesis 1:9, 10 say:
And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. Genesis 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. Legend: {"Hebrew" "Pronunciation" "English Transliteration"}Brackets [ ] demonstrate insertions for supposed clarity. Gen 1:9 And God {אֱלֹהִים aleim Elohim} said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place[יִקָּווּ iquu flown together / הַמַּיִם e-mim the waters], and let the dry [land] appear: and it was so. Land is not mentioned at all in verse 9, but is assumed as it mentions "her" eruption from the sea. Also, it is important to notice that the "one place" is not entirely correlated within the Hebrew text, which clearly states that the water had "flown together". Gen 1:10 And God {אֱלֹהִים aleim Elohim} called the dry [land]{אֶרֶץ artz land} Earth ; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God {אֱלֹהִים aleim Elohim} saw that [it was] good.[/qs] Here the Hebrew text actually mentions land as "artz", as opposed to Gen 1:9 where it is inserted. All throughout the creation account Elohim is referenced.
"ICANT" writes:
Does Genesis 11:9 say:
Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
Gen 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel {בָּבֶל bbl Babylon}; because the LORD {יְהוָה ieue Yahweh} did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD {יְהוָה ieue Yahweh} scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth {הָאָרֶץ -eartz the earth}. Babylon is the commonly accepted reference for Babel. The KJV interpretation omitted the commonly found shorthand reference to Babylon {bbl}.
"ICANT" writes: Does Genesis 10:25 say:
And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan. Gen 10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one [was] Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided {נִפְלְגָה nphlge she was distributed / הָאָרֶץ eartz theland} ; and his brother's name was Joktan. Clearly Gen 10:25 is referring to the land being distributed.
"ICANT" writes:
Conclusion: Genesis 1:9, 10 says all the water was in one place = all the land in one place. Dry land = Earth.
Not so fast. I clearly demonstrated that a transliteration from the original Hebrew reveals the waters to have simply "flown together", which would lead one to believe it to be a confluence {Gen 1:10 וּלְמִקְוֵה emim andtoconfluence-of / הַמַּיִם emim thewaters}"...and to confluence of the waters". This would lead one to believe that the waters simply flowed one into the other, which is completely consistent with our current Earth. "ICANT" writes:
You must realize that the Hebrew term {הָאָרֶץ eartz} is only so far as the Hebrew knowledge of the Earth was. An excellent example of this would be Alexander the Great having been recorded as conquering the world, when in reality he merely conquered a small fraction of our known world. In fact, this is even further emphasized within Isaiah when the Earth is referred to as a circle, which was the common conception of the Earth as being several circles, growing in diameter the further you traveled from the central kingdom.
Genesis 11:9 says all the people were scattered over the entire face of the earth, (land mass).
"ICANT" writes:
This is a blatantly ignorant statement. Why do you feel so qualified to interpret the original author's intention, when you have shown to have gone no further than the KJV?
Genesis 10:25 says the earth, (land mass) was divided in the days of Peleg.
"ICANT" writes:
The text says as you quoted, it was your interpretation that was incorrect.
Does the text of the KJV Bible say what I quoted above?
"ICANT" writes:
Yes, as I have demonstrated.
Did I draw the wrong conclusion from what the verses say?
"ICANT" writes:
This is irrelevant.
Am I the only Bible believer that believes what the text says?
"ICANT" writes:
Please investigate the history of the Bible, and attempt to understand the books it contains in their original context and language.
Faith and Belief please,
"ICANT" writes:
Who are you to give the blessings of God?
God Bless,
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Michamus Member (Idle past 5188 days) Posts: 230 From: Ft Hood, TX Joined: |
ICANT writes:
Believe what you want, but don't pretend the Bible supports an individual (without the proper priesthood authority) giving the blessings of God.
I am a son of God and as such His servant. I can ask my Father to bless anyone whom I desire. God Bless,
Regardless, care to respond to the rest of my post? Seems you have a nasty habit of responding only to small, insignificant, off-topic parts of a persons post. I would certainly hope this isn't what is called a "stall" in debate. Regardless, silence in debate is commonly accepted as agreement, so unless you provide a rebuttal, it is typically assumed that you agree with the statements. Edited by Michamus, : No reason given.
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Michamus Member (Idle past 5188 days) Posts: 230 From: Ft Hood, TX Joined: |
Excellent and informative post GM.
Still waiting on your reply to the rest of my post [Message #28] ICANT.
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Michamus Member (Idle past 5188 days) Posts: 230 From: Ft Hood, TX Joined: |
ICANT writes: Hi Mich,
Michamus writes: Still waiting on your reply to the rest of my post [Message #28] ICANT. Sorry but I am having a hard time finding Hebrew Lexicons that give flown together for the collection of the waters, and eruption from the sea for the land appearing. But I am still looking. God Bless, Still awaiting a resoonse ICANT. It seems you are having plenty of time researching and responding to other peoples statements, but are having a rather difficult time responding to my post, which completely destroys your claim that Peleg refers to a physical earth division.
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Michamus Member (Idle past 5188 days) Posts: 230 From: Ft Hood, TX Joined: |
ICANT writes:
Hi Mich, I can find no Lexicons that give the definitions you spin out in Message 26 So you will excuse me if I don't accept your definitions. If not claim anything you desire. God Bless,
What an excellent response! You can't find representing Lexicons, so they must not exist. Hmmm... or you are perhaps refusing to utilize a Hebrew dictionary? Out of curiousity, what Interlinear program are you using?
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Michamus Member (Idle past 5188 days) Posts: 230 From: Ft Hood, TX Joined: |
quote:Your argument of "I can't find the lexicons" is typical of interlinear users. quote:Why would you use a Greek translation of the OT, when the Aramaic, and Hebrew texts show more context? quote:This old tired argument. So are you stating that time destroys the quality of "God's word"?
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Michamus Member (Idle past 5188 days) Posts: 230 From: Ft Hood, TX Joined: |
ICANT writes:
I already did. Message 28
Can you supply the lexicon that does.
ICANT writes:
Then you agree that the Bible is fallible in the hands of man, which it clearly has been for the last 3,000 years. We know this due to the many obvious discrepancies that exist within it when compared to reality. If God truly did write the Bible, these would not exist.
Translators that copied the earlier texts changing them to agree with their belief system and then destroying the old texts, destroys the quality of "God's Word".
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Michamus Member (Idle past 5188 days) Posts: 230 From: Ft Hood, TX Joined: |
ICANT writes:
Why do I need to provide a source... are you telling me you honestly have no idea what language, and era I am providing a sampling from, unless I provide you with a reference. This is like me quoting a verse from the king james version, and you asking "What version is that in?" Anyone who has read the KJV knows how the English words are used within it's writings. Here it is again... you are continually destroying your own credibility as an authority by the very questions you are asking.
So no you have not supplied a source as of yet.
{—’ nphlge she was distributed / eartz the·land} ICANT writes:
And what evidence do you have that they hadn't made a mess out of it shortly after Moses' writings?
And yes man is making a mess out of God's Word with these modern day interpertations of what God meant.
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Michamus Member (Idle past 5188 days) Posts: 230 From: Ft Hood, TX Joined: |
You have proven my point, and you don't even know it. Have a nice day
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