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CosmicChimp
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Message 1 of 9 (503954)
03-23-2009 5:28 PM


Here's something really colossal:
Why redhead finches have more sons
Deborah Smith, Science Editor
March 20, 2009 The Sydney Morning Herald
external article, internet version
"This discovery will change our understanding of sex determination across the animal kingdom," said Dr Pryke, whose study is published in the journal Science.
Who has access (and could post here) to the Science article?

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Wounded King
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Message 2 of 9 (503973)
03-23-2009 6:19 PM
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03-23-2009 5:28 PM


I can check it out tomorrow.
I wonder if there are any behavioural changes after mating/egg laying which might have an effect.
Environmental factors like temperature can affect sex determination in many reptiles. There is at least one case where temperature affects sex ratios in birds, albeit via a difference in susceptibility to heat causing higher mortality in the different sexes at higher or lower temperatures (Goth and Booth, 2005).
TTFN,
WK
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Message 3 of 9 (503976)
03-23-2009 6:29 PM
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03-23-2009 5:28 PM


You can sign up for a free membership to Science with some access to some (not all) articles. This article appears to be in the free zone:
http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2009/320/2
quote:
To find out, the researchers got out their paint brushes. They colored a few red-headed males black, and vice versa. The results were the same: When a red-headed female finch mated with a black-headed male, even if he was a natural red-head, she overproduced sons, with a brood that was 72% male on average, the team reports today in Science. When she mated with a bird of the same head color--even if that color was artificial--the ratio was even. What's more, mom produced more eggs and put more effort into feeding and caring for her young when the colors matched than when they didn't. But the paint couldn't overcome the genetic incompatibility: More daughters still eventually died when the parents were a true mismatch than when mom and dad's natural head color was the same.
It references a more formal article with the abstract available here:
Just a moment...
The full text is not available to free subscriptions.
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Stagamancer
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Message 4 of 9 (503983)
03-23-2009 7:51 PM
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03-23-2009 5:28 PM


Ah, it's nice to work at a university were access to journals is so easy.
One thing that was interesting to note was that the coloring is a sex-linked trait. The gene is linked to the Z chromosome, and in birds, females are ZW and males are ZZ, so females only get one copy of the gene, and males get two. Red is dominant (also weird, i thought) to black. But none of this is the really interesting stuff
For those that want some solid numbers:
Genetically incompatible (red with black) pairs have 40.2% greater mortality of sons and 83.8% greater mortality of daughters than brood produced from genetically compatible (red-red or black-black) pairs
They randomly paired 200 females (100 black, 100 red) to either a black or red male (of known morph genotype) in a visually isolated cage. Broods were reciprocally translocated permanently (within and between treatments) to control for genetic versus parentally derived environmental effects. After the first brood, the female was paired with a random male of the opposite morph (so each female bred twice, once with a compatible morph and once with an incompatible morph)
Females in mixed pairs produced broods with male-biased primary sex ratios: 82.1% males
Females in matched pairs produced an unbiased sex ratio: 45.9% males
In 20% of the eggs produced, there was no embryonic development, and therefore they were unable to sex those eggs. However, even if one assumes that all infertile eggs were female, there would still be an observed male-biased sex ratio in mixed-morph pairs: 60.3% males
Black females paired to red males who were experimentally blackened produced a sex ratio that did not differ significantly from equality: 55% males
Red females paired to experimentally blackened red males produced significantly more males: 72%
Individual females in mixed pairs produced significantly fewer eggs (3.391.07) than in matched pairs (5.670.89)
Females in mixed pairs also laid significantly smaller eggs (198.2314.12 mm3) than in matched pairs (227.0412.35 mm3)
When chicks (from both mixed and matched pairs) were fostered to nests of matched pairs they grew faster than foster chicks in mixed nests-- RM-ANOVA, F(1,158)=7.15,P=0.007,r^2=7.82-- irrespective of genetic origin-- F(1,158)=0.81, P=0.34
This was due to a per capita increase in maternal (but not paternal) provisioning to chicks in matched pairs--RM-ANOVA, female visit rate: F(1,159)=87.13, P<0.001, r^2=44.8; male visit rate: F(1,159)=0.04, P=0.83, r^2=6.4, N=324 broods
These affects were apparent when males were color-manipulated
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Message 5 of 9 (503985)
03-23-2009 8:13 PM
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03-23-2009 5:28 PM


Email me, CC, and I'll send you a pdf. My address is in my profile.
And that goes for anybody here, and anything in Science since 1880 or Nature since around 1995.
Edited by Coragyps, : addition

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CosmicChimp
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Message 6 of 9 (504065)
03-24-2009 12:01 PM
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03-23-2009 8:13 PM


"Es Klappt!"
Thx again

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Dr Adequate
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Message 7 of 9 (504066)
03-24-2009 12:06 PM


The interesting thing, then, is that the sex ratios were only skewed when the female finches knew that they'd been mismatched.
How the heck does that work?

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Dr Jack
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Message 8 of 9 (504067)
03-24-2009 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by CosmicChimp
03-23-2009 5:28 PM


Finches aren't the only animals that can control the sex of their offspring even when it is determined by heterogamy - deer do it too. Low ranking females have more daughters, high ranking females have more sons.
Ref: Clutton-Brook, T.H. Albon, S.D. and Guinness, F.E. (1984) Maternal dominance, breeding success and birth sex-ratios in red deer, Nature, 308, pp.358-360.

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Dr Jack
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Message 9 of 9 (504068)
03-24-2009 12:22 PM
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03-24-2009 12:06 PM


The interesting thing, then, is that the sex ratios were only skewed when the female finches knew that they'd been mismatched.
How the heck does that work?
What follows is speculation: In the reverse pattern to humans, it is female birds that have differing sex chromosomes (ZW); I'd assume that there is some way for the finch to detect these eggs and preferentially offer them for fertilisation.

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