YEC Geologic Column - Created with apparent age?

I know of none. What actually happens is that as one becomes more familiar with the science of geology it becomes virtually impossible to adhere to YECism. Glen Morton has an interesting story to tell about this. Maybe someone has a link to it. He was once a YEC and slowly converted after working in the field where YEC dogma collided with functional mainstream science. Not bigotry. Simple facts. You cannot rationalize the mountains of evidence for an old earth with the YEC doctrine. As Rox said, the only real way is to be a committed YEC in the first place. In fact some have said that they took degrees in geology simply to disprove mainstream science. Well, see: you're not a geologist! Speaking for myself, sure. That is part of a geologist's job, to create viable past scenarios that predict earth conditions. I'm not sure I have a handle on 'excellent geological formations'. Why could they not suggest normal physical processes rather than 'redemptive events'? Are you saying that the deposition of beach sands constitutes some supernatural event and that we are somehow being rewarded with a beach? And you would call that a 'parsimonious explanation'?

Of course not. I am a catastrophist myself. Catastrophes are normal events in earth history. However, there are vast amounts of time between the catastrophes. A few, eh? Is this some argument from lack of authority or something? Please find us just one who was not committed to YEC before becoming a geologist.

If you knew anything about geology, you would see what a silly statement the above is. Fact is, I have never met one person who converted to 'awakened' to YECism as an undergraduate, much less in graduate school, but I have met several people who came in YECs and left old earth proponents. Some very good Christian friends. Another silly statement by you. There is no need for an old earth conspiracy in the face of overwhelming evidence. One need only to look at the rocks, learn to read them, and there is no other answer.People in college aren't stupid you know. And your baseless assumption that they are is offensive to every college person and graduate on this planet. Are YOU stupid? Did you swallow everything your college professor told you without first making sure it made sense? Maybe while at college you should have taken a geology course as well. Then you'd realize how silly your statements above are. Buy you never took any geology courses. You're not a geologist. Medical degrees and reading about geology does not a geologist make.I have two science degrees, and I've worked as a professional geologist for 12 years. How would you feel about me questioning your education? Or your methods of doctoring? Or the theories you use everyday to treat and diagnose people? Of course. What do you think we do all day at work? Debate YECs?

Major de ja vou I’ve heard that song before, Edge. Your geologists deny your mega-ToE conspiracy (unconsciously perhaps) as do our biologists deny their mega-ToE conspiracy. Denying the problem or evading it is evil. Everyone innocently acts without sin when it comes to getting paid. I’m guilty too.I see you’re from Colorado as well. And, because I have four other science degrees, a non-geologist YEC conversion was understandable?!# I personally don’t know many geologists at present (you, Moose, and Rox), let alone any geologists that converted to YECism in grad-school or pre-grad. So I may be wrong.One Chemist (Behe, I think) seemed to vehemently convert to YECism while developing the concept of ICs. Will that suffice, Edge? Isn’t there someone in your literature who converted to YECism? Please don’t make me chase that rabbit. Surely one or two geologists in your camp turned Judas or something.Back to the topic What’s doctorate geology have to do with IN THE BEGINNING anyway? I was hoping we might be talking about quarks and photons (or something see below) in a primordial geosphere, not arguments of geological strata. Please, Edge.I’ve referred to non-chaotic geological formations as geological excellencies or excellent geological formations. I think Sir Isaac Newton and/or Jonathan Edwards introduced that term Excellency to refer to nature’s harmonies, symmetries, and proportions. The latter, Edwards, applied the term to redemptive metaphysical phenomena.Such Excellencies denote beauty, beneficence, and a peculiar permanence conferred upon us melancholy creatures. Excellencies must be worth gawking at by any geological authority. Examples of ‘excellent geological formations’ might be:1) Primordial excellent geological formations: Quarks, Photons, lower elements and their quantums The mystery of Orchestrated quantum mechanics commencing and sustaining matter The pre-universe and its beneficial relationship to our geosphere.2) Then, excellent geological formations of higher elements and inorganic compounds, their excellent longevities (half-lives), and simple organic compounds.3) Then, very excellent geological formations of complex organic and biochemical molecules along with their linked enzymes, DNA, RNA, etc. might even rate the term higher excellencies.4) Finally, extremely excellent fossil formations of living things, and numerous other orchestrated geological harmonies, symmetries, and proportions.Of course, geological authority doesn’t seem to have a handle on when its appropriate to gawk at primordial geological excellencies. Yet gawk geologists must, don’t you think? Even all geological authority must raise its hands in adoration to its Maker. This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 06-27-2005 01:05 PM

Philip - I have to file this one under "incoherant rant having very little to do with the theme of the topic". Stop it!The non-admin mode has moved the Behe bit to another location.Adminnemooseus

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There certainly are rules against honest "rant", despite my error about Behe.(Hope I didn't slander Behe, I said "I think" and "seemed" to imply that I may not have known)Philip

In the context of the People Don't Know What Creation Science Is topic, Omphaloism has come up, including this rather nice message from Dwise.So I thought I'd try reactivating this topic.Moose

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