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Author Topic:   Is the universe God?
mark24
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Message 2 of 14 (500)
12-01-2001 10:49 AM


God is Omnimalevolent / the universe is full of things that kill us
Nebulous bs.

mark24
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Message 4 of 14 (515)
12-04-2001 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by joz
12-04-2001 11:15 AM


I know
, but that was what i was argueing with. People can very easily lose focus when discussing God. As you say, just looking at the good things at the expense of the bad. If God were truly fair we would all live exactly the same amount of time. No cancer, no heart disease, no random accidents.
Things like love, compassion etc are all attributed to God, but when its pointed out theres evil (whether you call it that or not) in the world, its EVERYBODIES fault except God. The obvious point is that God made everything, including us. He made some of us nasty cusses as well. This is passed off with muddy-watered-rubbish like, "its the devils work", or "its man that has the self determination to be evil". So why did God allow the Devil to do his work then. He's God, he created the ENTIRE UNIVERSE, surely zapping Lucifer is a relatively simple task? Or to NOT give humans the ability to be evil.
Wouldn't the world be a nicer place if God just did a bit of prep work first?
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Message 6 of 14 (523)
12-05-2001 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by joz
12-05-2001 8:07 AM


Nicely put!

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Message 8 of 14 (731)
12-13-2001 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Redwing
12-13-2001 4:08 PM


But why couldn't God give us free will, but also not want to do bad things. Its still free will. There are a lot of things we don't generally do, but COULD. Because we don't, doesn't mean we don't have free will. For example, self harm. People do, I know, but most of us do not desire to harm ourselves. Presumably God gave us the desire not to self harm, without taking away free will.
Newton was referring to motion & not human nature, so it doesn't really apply.

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