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Author Topic:   Underpass stains, burnt toast & the pervasiveness of the Cult of the Virgin Mary
RAZD
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Message 11 of 36 (495652)
01-23-2009 7:33 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Rahvin
01-23-2009 5:18 PM


Just call like you see it
Hey Rahvin
Can you say "false pattern recognition?"
Yeah, they're wrong - I was going to point out it looks like a giant (god sized?) vagina, but I see DevilsAdvocate 'beat' me to it ...
... no different than children who see bunnies and horses in passing clouds.
It's also like the three different images you can see in the moon.

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RAZD
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Message 14 of 36 (495674)
01-23-2009 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Rahvin
01-23-2009 7:46 PM


Re: Just call like you see it
Indeed.
The ability helps us a great deal (pattern recognition is what allows us to read, to perceive images on a screen, is instrumental in problem solving, etc), but all it takes is a slightly overactive imagination and a lapse in skepticism to make us see, as Phat says in someone's signature, "monsters where others see only windmills."
There is a rock down the shore from my parents that neighborhood folklore says looks like (a) a lion head, (b) a crouching frog or (c) with two other rocks, a sea turtle poking head and flippers out of the water. And yes, one can pick out these patterns in this one rock.
Man in the Moon - Wikipedia
quote:
The Man in the Moon is an example of pareidolia. Other cultures perceive the silhouette of a woman, a hare/rabbit, a frog, a moose, a buffalo, or a dragon (with its head and mouth to the right and body and wings to the left) in the full moon. Alternatively, the vague shape of the overall dark and light regions resemble a Yin Yang symbol, on it side and backwards.
In Chinese culture, the rabbit in the moon (a companion of Chang'e) is pounding medicine. Similarly, in Japan and Korea, popular culture sees a rabbit making mochi and tteok, respectively, in the moon. The mythology of Pre-Columbian Mesoamerica also featured a lunar rabbit, for example, Tecciztecatl, the Aztec moon god, was sometimes pictured as an anthropomorphic rabbit.
But I think there is something else going on with the Mary\etc images. In these cases we have people that believe (a) Mary\etc is an angel\god - a powerful spirit, (b) that miracles happen, and these appearances are such, and (c) that their god\etc is communication by such images to those of the faith (see John 10:10 for this kind of thinking).
In other words, sever confirmation bias: it's a miracle because they want a miracle and it looks enough like Mary\etc to be like a miraculous vision, so it's a miracle.
There likely is also cognitive dissonance: tell a believer that it looks like something else, and they'll probably deny it (like John 10:10 saying that you need to look with faith to see the evidence that justifies faith).
So we should start believing because of the evidence before our eyes, evidence that you need faith to see, but evidence you will see once you have faith.
So pass the mochi and believe in the Great Rabbit.
Enjoy.
Edited by RAZD, : ...

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RAZD
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Message 16 of 36 (495691)
01-23-2009 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by DevilsAdvocate
01-23-2009 10:06 PM


Re: Just call like you see it
Hey DA, bound for glory!
It is rather propos and ironic that this depiction of the Virgin Mary looks like a vagina don't you think? What was God thinking? Naughty little sky dad!!
But don't you see the duality - it's really the Vagina Mary, ready to receive god!!!
And what's that stain around it? (or is that a shadow ...)
Another question I have is, why do people feel some type of comfort in worshiping these type of images. Is it primarily out of ignorance or are there other factors involved. This truely defies my intellect.
They believe in miracles, they want to see one, and this is the closest they can get. Add confirmation bias and the "faith sees evidence of faith you don't see without faith" argument of John 10:10 and groupthink behavior ...
Enjoy.
Edited by RAZD, : duality
Edited by RAZD, : lol

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Message 18 of 36 (495697)
01-23-2009 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Granny Magda
01-23-2009 11:28 PM


Re: Stuff That Looks Like Jesus
Hey Granny,
Hence the miraculous appearance of Jesus in a stained bathroom fitting.
... these guys are just plumb crazy.
Or plumbing crazy.
The only explanation I can come up with for this nonsense is that many, if not most believers secretly harbour grave doubts about their faith.
Well the real nonsense part of it is thinking it is jesus\mary\etc instead of it just looking like a person, humorous but nothing special.
Enjoy

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Message 23 of 36 (495791)
01-24-2009 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by DevilsAdvocate
01-24-2009 9:39 AM


Re: Just call like you see it
NOOO that can't be right ...
You mean a picture like this:
If this what Jesus looked like (based on physical anthropology, forensic anthropology, human osteology and other related anthropological and biological evidence as shown here: Real Face Of Jesus)than his mother Mary also had brown eyes, brown skin, kinky type hair ...
That's the portrait of a terrorist!!!
Enjoy.

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Message 33 of 36 (496017)
01-25-2009 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Agobot
01-25-2009 6:30 PM


Re: Just call like you see it
hey Agobot,
... and if memory serves me right this is an artistic portrait of Cromagnon man.
Are you saying jesus was a cro-magnon???
The original link with the picture:
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