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Author Topic:   Underpass stains, burnt toast & the pervasiveness of the Cult of the Virgin Mary
DevilsAdvocate
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Message 1 of 36 (495578)
01-23-2009 1:02 PM


"You have to be kidding me!?!" was the first thought after perusing the news online and running across this article (which is on just about every News outlet across the world including CNN, CBS and Fox News):Faithful See Image Of Virgin Mary
A steady stream of the faithful and the curious, many carrying flowers and candles, have flocked to an expressway underpass for a view of a yellow and white stain on a concrete wall that some believe is an image of the Virgin Mary.
Police have patrolled the emergency turnoff area under the Kennedy Expressway since Monday as hundreds of people have walked down to see the image and the growing memorial of flowers and candles that surround it.
Beside the image is an artist's rendering of the Virgin Mary embracing Pope John Paul II in a pose some see echoed in the stain.
"We believe it's a miracle," said Elbia Tello, 42. "We have faith, and we can see her face."
Tuesday morning, women knelt with rosary beads behind a police barricade while men in work shirts stood solemnly before the image, praying. A police officer kept the crowd of about three dozen from getting too close to the traffic but didn't stop them gathering around the stain.
The stain is likely the result of salt run-off, according to the Illinois Department of Transportation. The agency does not plan to scrub it off the wall.
"We're treating this just like we treat any type of roadside memorial," said IDOT spokesman Mike Claffey. "We have no plans to clean this site."
The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Chicago had not received any requests to authenticate the image as of Monday, spokesman Jim Dwyer said.
"These things don't happen every day," Dwyer said. "Sometimes people ask us to look into it. Most of the time they don't. (The meaning) depends on the individual who sees it. To them, it's real. To them, it reaffirms their faith."
But onlooker Victor Robles, 36, said he was skeptical about the stain's Virgin Mary resemblance.
"I see just a concrete wall and an image that could happen anywhere," Robles said. "If that image helps more people feel closer to God than maybe that is a good sign."
Worldwide, people have been drawn to images believed to resemble the Virgin Mary seen on windows, fence posts and walls.
Among the best-known in the United States was an image seen in office windows in Clearwater, Fla. Within weeks, a half million people had been to the site.
Glass experts believe the image was created by a chemical reaction and corrosion of the metallic elements in the glass coating, but they could not explain why it took the shape it did. The windows were broken last year.
I understand not every religious person believes these things (i.e. images of Mary or Jesus burnt onto toast are some type of divine sign from God) but why does humanity (religious or otherwise) even entertain stupid, ignorant, pseudoscientific bullshit phenomena as such? In addition, why does the media feel like this crap is worthy of being on the headline news?
To me it is a waste of time, money and effort that could go to solving important and meaningful issues such as feeding the poor, conducting scientific and medical research to help humanity, etc. Instead, we are spending money i.e. police protection, etc to protect a piece of concrete just because it is stained and happens to have a resemblance to who knows what! This is pure emotional greed bordering on psychosis.
Ok will get off my soapbox now .
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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 4 of 36 (495601)
01-23-2009 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminNosy
01-23-2009 1:55 PM


Underpass stains, burnt toast & the pervasiveness of the Cult of the Virgin Mary
How about this title? "Underpass stains, burnt toast & the pervasiveness of the Cult of the Virgin Mary" and probably put it under the "Faith and Belief" forum?
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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 9 of 36 (495642)
01-23-2009 6:44 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by lyx2no
01-23-2009 6:02 PM


Re: Morning sickness
Do you not recognize the significance of this particular image? Why do you think she's puking all over her sandals
I could say it looks like something else but would probably get banned from this site (sorry my dirty mind at work) .
It seems that there a lot of male virgins looking at this who do not see the obvious! (That is all I will say, I will let you use your imaginations)
I am goint hell for that one, huh.
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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

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Message 15 of 36 (495680)
01-23-2009 10:06 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by RAZD
01-23-2009 7:33 PM


Re: Just call like you see it
Looks like both of us are going to hell Razd!
It is rather propos and ironic that this depiction of the Virgin Mary looks like a vagina don't you think? What was God thinking? Naughty little sky dad!!
Another question I have is, why do people feel some type of comfort in worshiping these type of images. Is it primarily out of ignorance or are there other factors involved. This truely defies my intellect.
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Dr. Carl Sagan

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Message 22 of 36 (495789)
01-24-2009 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by bluescat48
01-24-2009 7:28 AM


Re: Just call like you see it
You mean a picture like this:
If this what Jesus looked like (based on physical anthropology, forensic anthropology, human osteology and other related anthropological and biological evidence as shown here: Real Face Of Jesus), this clashes with the image most white Christians think of when they imagine what Jesus looks like (just as you said our impression of him is the Renaissance, Caucasian, white-washed depiction of Jewish figures) i.e.
This would also clash with the idea that his mother Mary also had brown eyes, brown skin, kinky type brown hair not the long flowing blond hair, blue eyes, fair complexion depicted and promoted by the Roman Catholic and Protestant churches as shown here:
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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

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DevilsAdvocate
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Message 24 of 36 (495792)
01-24-2009 9:47 AM
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01-24-2009 9:45 AM


Re: Jesus is a prisoner in Quantanamo for impersonating a terrorist!
Wow, I didn't even think of that?
How do we know that Jesus hasn't returned to Earth and isn't being held in Guantanamo!!
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Dr. Carl Sagan

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Message 26 of 36 (495794)
01-24-2009 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Huntard
01-24-2009 9:52 AM


Jesus is a prisoner in Quantanamo for impersonating a terrorist!
Damit Huntard,
You messed up my awesome subtitle!

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

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Message 31 of 36 (495979)
01-25-2009 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Mercury
01-25-2009 2:47 PM


Re: Just call like you see it
So are you calling Jesus the "Ugly"?
You are going to hell!

For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

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