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Larni
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Message 61 of 67 (488824)
11-18-2008 7:49 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Cold Foreign Object
11-15-2008 6:32 PM


Re: Design theory
Special creation, also known as independent or separate creation, is a scientific hypothesis that claims to explain how species are introduced into reality.
It may claim to explain how species are introduced into reality but it does not.
The only answer it ever gives is that an undetectable entity did it in a undetectable way.

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bluescat48
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Message 62 of 67 (488847)
11-18-2008 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Cold Foreign Object
11-15-2008 6:32 PM


Re: Design theory
Special creation, also known as independent or separate creation, is a scientific hypothesis that claims to explain how species are introduced into reality.
Charles Darwin:
"I can entertain no doubt, after the most deliberate study and dispassionate judgment of which I am capable, that the view which most naturalists entertain, and which I formerly entertained”namely, that each species has been independently created”is erroneous. I am fully convinced that species are not immutable" On The Origin Of Species (1859:6).
If you are going to quote mine, it would seem feasible that you would mine something that agrees with your premise. Darwin's quote refutes your argument.

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Synik
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Message 63 of 67 (489626)
11-28-2008 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Cold Foreign Object
11-15-2008 6:44 PM


Re: Design theory
Too funny. What did Behe admit to in Dover....something along the lines of "ID is not Science? hhhmmmmmm....wonder why such an ardent supporter of ID would admit to such a thing?

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RAZD
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Message 64 of 67 (489638)
11-28-2008 7:40 PM
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11-28-2008 6:23 PM


Re: Design theory
Hi Synik, welcome to the fray
What did Behe admit to in Dover....something along the lines of "ID is not Science?
More along the lines of ... if science were redefined as he suggested, to allow ID to be included, that then it would also include astrology ...
We have a thread on the Dover Trials transcripts somewhere ...
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Synik
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Message 65 of 67 (489645)
11-28-2008 8:33 PM
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11-28-2008 7:40 PM


Re: Design theory
Very cool...thanks so much!
Yeah, I followed the daily Dover trial transcripts....riviting. It was amazing how comletely ID (Creation) was refuted.
Edited by Synik, : wanted to tone down the rhetoric

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Straggler
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Message 66 of 67 (489673)
11-29-2008 6:48 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Cold Foreign Object
11-17-2008 5:50 PM


Re: Design theory
Here is what I believe:
What you believe is immaterial
Both Creationism and Evolutionism interpret and explain the same database of scientific evidence. There is not two sets of evidence. There is one, and two major explanations of this evidence.
Science is not the subjective interpretation of facts designed solely to support a predefined world view regardless of the actual truth of that world view.
Fortunately for us all there is more to it than that.
Interpretation is not enough to ensure reliability of conclusion. The key to scientific investigation and the resulting reliability of conclusions is the testing of theories or hypotheses. Testing by prediction and verification.
You can interpret to your hearts content and come up with all sorts of justification for pretty much any story. There is a reason why creationist interpretations make no predictions and result in no new discoveries. It is because they are untrue.
Relentless bleating by creationists that they have an equally valid but minority interpretation of the same evidence is ignorant at best and dishonest at worst.

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Synik
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Message 67 of 67 (489824)
11-30-2008 9:06 AM


Interpretation is not enough to ensure reliability of conclusion. The key to scientific investigation and the resulting reliability of conclusions is the testing of theories or hypotheses. Testing by prediction and verification.
Exactly. To date, ID/Creation has yet to publish a "theory" that makes predictions or that can be tested.

  
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