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Author Topic:   Could Erratic Blocks give Flood Plausibility?
Peg
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Message 1 of 20 (489088)
11-23-2008 7:39 AM


I'd just like to get some thoughts on this article. Many will claim there is absolutely no evidence of a flood, i'd just like to know why Erratic Blocks are not evidence of a great flood...
*the article does initially say that diluvial flooding is the likely cause, but later researchers claim glaciers as the cause, it shows that there are different schools of thought and opinions from one person to another...
If some of these erratic blocks have sea shells embedded into them, and have been found at hundreds of feet 'above' their original positions, does that not indicate that they could have been moved there by flooding?
The Ice Age and Its Work I. Erratic Blocks and Ice-Sheets, by Alfred Russel Wallace
a few quotes state
" In the last century, Swedenborg, Linnæus, Pallas, De Luc, and many other eminent writers took notice of the remarkable fact that in Scandinavia, Russia, Germany, and Switzerland detached rocks or boulders were found, often in great abundance and of immense size, and of a kind that did not exist in situ in the same district, but which were often only to be discovered in remote localities, sometimes hundreds of miles away. "
"The case of the boulders in the Isle of Man, which have been carried nearly 800 feet above their source...a granite block on the top of Cronebane, a slate hill in Ireland, and several hundred feet higher than any place where similar granite was to be found in situ; and he also noticed several deposits of limestone gravel in places from 300 to 400 feet higher than the beds of limestone rock which are from two to ten miles off. "
"in the other localities ...the same ice-sheets which have distributed foreign erratics so widely over our country, and which in doing so must have passed over the sea-bottom, have in a few cases carried with them a portion of that sea-bottom, and deposited it with the erratics in the places where both are now found."
and no, this has not come from a creationist website!
Edited by Peg, : No reason given.
Edited by Peg, : fixed url
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Edited by Peg, : non erratic block quotes removed

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Peg
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Message 3 of 20 (489122)
11-23-2008 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Admin
11-23-2008 8:08 AM


admin writes:
1. If you'd like to discuss erratic blocks, your excerpts from the Wallace article should only touch on erratic blocks. Please remove the excerpts that don't address the issue of erratic blocks.
2. Though written over a hundred years ago, the article is a lengthy, detailed and rather strong argument for recent ice ages, and at one point in the portion on erratic blocks he argues specifically and with evidence against a diluvial origin, so you need to explain why you think it supports your position.
1. excerpts removed
2. About the Diluvial origin, the earlier researchers went for the diluvial to explain the movement, but the latter researchers chose the glacial explaination.
personally i dont think either can write the other off if evidence for both explanations is available? So, could these erratic blocks make the flood plausible?
Edited by Peg, : question re arranged.

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Peg
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Message 6 of 20 (489135)
11-23-2008 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by bluescat48
11-23-2008 7:55 PM


yes i understand that
if we look at the marine fossils found in many of the erratic blocks, it certainly must be evidence of those blocks, at some point, being in waters or somehow dislodged from water
also glaciers are more likely to send debris 'down' as opposed to 'up' so what is to account for these erratic blocks being found at elevated positions?
do you have any suggestions bluescat?

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Peg
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Message 9 of 20 (489140)
11-23-2008 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Percy
11-23-2008 8:19 PM


Percy writes:
Flood waters can move massive boulders, but not uphill. Deep water flows very slowly anyway, and water would have to be very deep for erratics raised hundreds of feet in elevation.
Erratics found at elevations higher than their origins were carried along by the flow of ice,
yes i see what your saying there...a boulder would more likely sink then swim
im not sure if i've misread the article though, it does say that earlier geologists pointed to diluvial flooding to explain the phenomenon of erratics, but later researchers pointed to glaciers
what is impressive is that the land has gone through changes of gigantic proportions... the earths crust is relatively thin so could it be that a deluge of gigantic proportions would have the capability of changing the landscape to such an extreme? effectively uprooting mountains/glaciers??

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Peg
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Message 11 of 20 (489146)
11-23-2008 10:06 PM
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11-23-2008 9:53 PM


Coragyps writes:
Maybe that could be - but there would be evidence left behind! That's the biggest problem with a global flood - it had to have happened without leaving traces of itself.
so you dont think the geological upheaval such as erratic blocks is evidence of something catastrophic?

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Peg
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Message 13 of 20 (489148)
11-23-2008 10:33 PM
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11-23-2008 10:17 PM


Re: Erratics
marine life up high
marine life = water presence
how much water and the cause of the water remains to be seen... i really dont think that it can easily be explained away as a glacial movement unless at some point the glacier itself was submerged

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Peg
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Message 19 of 20 (489212)
11-25-2008 3:34 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by roxrkool
11-24-2008 1:22 PM


exploring the scablands
great link, thankyou

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Peg
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From: melbourne, australia
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Message 20 of 20 (489213)
11-25-2008 3:37 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Percy
11-24-2008 9:15 AM


Re: Erratics
Percy writes:
I hope you're talking about marine fossils associated with erratics, which is on-topic, and not marine fossils on mountain tops, which isn't.
yes i was referring to marine fossils found on erratics

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