The Unbended Curved Bar Space Slugout Thread

This is equivocation. Theists that accept the Big Bang do not think that the Big Bang was the birth of everything that exists (and neither do I!) I watched the first and second lecture. The second lecture is still about basically pure classical physics, with a tiny reference to quantum physics. For the most part though, the second lecture is abstract mathematics (complex conjugates sound more like a grammar thing than a maths thing ), which you might not enjoy but I'm advised its vital to understand what happens next.That said: its not really relevant to the topic at hand. Do you think there's much more life in it? Everyone seems to be repeating themselves.Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

I just wanted you to listen to the first 8 minutes, as the professor breaksdown what it's like to understand physics.

1. So it appears that what attributes what is observed in the cosmos, relative to curvature, to properties of space is the math of QM and GR which on paper and in the mind attributes the curvature to space and not properties of mass, energy and forces located in space. I have said enough in this thread regarding my objection to this that I see no need to labor further on it.2. "....space curves because it can curve...." I like that. Maybe I'll try it for Jehovah who is the designer because he designs and we observe the intelligent complexity of what he has designed.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

There was something before the BB? Is there a thread on this anyone? I've forgotten whether there is or not. I watched over an hour which included what he called the classic mechanics section.Yes I agree, Modulous. All we can do is repeat ourselves from here. Hopefully we've all learned something from it. If you care to shut it down, it's fine with me. Again, I appreciate that you moderators have allowed an extension in order to hash out some of which we've covered in the last hundred messages.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

In the first we observe a phenomena. We make guesses as to the cause. We work out the implications of our guesses. We sort our guesses and see which ones can be eliminated by testing and which can stand. We work harder to find more profound implications and tests ” think LHC ” until we eliminate all the guesses. Yes, all the guesses. We've been trying to eliminate ToE for 159 years.In the second we are told a story by our mommies and then shoehorn all the observations into it.Now a problem arises on those rare occasions where our mommies aren't theoretical physicists. She might have accidentally mislabeled a muon as a mason or something. In these instances we are required to think things out for ourselves a bit more than other kids.The lucky ones and the hard working ones try to be understanding when meeting up with one of those kids who didn't get the memo ” society demands it ” but we're under no obligation to disprove their stupid, childish ideas, bear their insult or treat them as peers.Seven hundred post into this inanity and you've yet to provide a single supporting agument that isn't based on your total lack of understanding of even the simplest of ideas; i.e., analogy. The only thing that you have demonstrated, the only thing you have substantiated, the only thing you have made clear, is that you are a silly, old tosspot.Here's a smiley face, , to lighten the mood for you.Edited by lyx2no, : Structure.

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Is the universe, i.e. everything that exists condidered 13 1/2 - 14 billion years or so old? If so doesn't that mean the BB originated curvature of space, time, any existing god and everything else?Edited by Buzsaw, : change title.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

I didn't say that, since for all I know that is gibberish. More reasonably, there is something else that exists other than what we call the cosmos. Theists that accept the BB generally believe that one such entity is God and that God created spacetime. Sometimes they see the BB as a creation event, other times they believe God created the 4D universe in one go (past, present and future) and the BB is just one coordinate within the spacetime He created. Everything that exists in spacetime, from our perspective, has existed for that amount of time. The Braneworld (or quantum foam etc) of some physicists, the divine realm of some monotheists and the metadivine world of some pagans all exist may have existed for 'longer' if such a thing as time exists outside of this 'pocket' of spacetime.Perhaps another possible thread might be possible to discuss the 'eternal' nature of God. Did the Israelites believe in an eternal God? They used the word qedem, which in a time context seems to imply 'ancient' more than 'eternal'. Is there another word they use to describe Him somewhere else I've missed?I have some chores to run, when I'm done I'll take a look at the thread. That we're being drawn into theology right now is probably a sign the thread has run its course.

The slugout is over. While I hesitated to close this due to the fact it gives my user account the 'last word' I'm hoping nobody minds. If anyone really really wants to do it all again or to discuss any spinoff issues, feel free to propose a new topic.Edited by AdminModulous, : No reason given.