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Phat
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Message 285 of 321 (479013)
08-23-2008 6:32 AM
Reply to: Message 283 by anglagard
08-23-2008 2:37 AM


Re: Theocracies Suck for Many Reasons
anglagard writes:
The other reason is that I find it incredibly simple-minded to assert that all atheists are 'bad' while anyone who claims to be divinely inspired is automatically 'good.'
Actually to carry that argument a step further....IF there were some sort of spiritual impartation and communion with the Holy Spirit that differentiated believers from non-believers, we would expect to see dramatic statistical confirmations that would clearly show the influence of the Holy Spirit, since believers should have lower divorce rates (ideally zero, one would think) lower crime statistics, fewer bankruptcies, and in general a lifestyle pattern that reflected the influence of God operating in and through them.
Sadly, we see no such distinction....and thus question whether "saved" people had a leg up on the ones who do not experience god so vividly and personally.

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Phat
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Message 287 of 321 (479163)
08-25-2008 3:33 AM
Reply to: Message 286 by jaywill
08-23-2008 5:03 PM


Re: Theocracies Suck for Many Reasons
jaywill writes:
Are you saying that you have the statistics all done for us?
Not by any means! This is merely my personal observations based on the many people I have encountered, as well as anecdotal stories. Perhaps you have some anecdotal stories which refute my findings. Think of the people you know. Do you have a group of friends who are not religious? (aside from us ) If so, do you see any major differences in morality, empathy, intelligence, or other traits that you care to discuss?
Remember, my basic assertion is that people with the Holy Spirit, although occasionally quite noble and lofty in word and action, by and large do not seem to me to have anything better than what some of my noblest, emphatic, and honest secular friends exhibit.
Feel free to share your observations and refute my observation. I would enjoy your input.

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Phat
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Message 291 of 321 (479365)
08-26-2008 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by Dawn Bertot
08-26-2008 2:07 AM


Who is We and who is the author of scripture?
D Bertot writes:
This is one of the things we have that you cannot see presently...
First of all, who is the "we" that you refer to?

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Phat
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Message 294 of 321 (479578)
08-28-2008 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 293 by jaywill
08-28-2008 8:04 AM


Re: Theocracies Suck for Many Reasons
jaywill writes:
Tell me where you live and I'll recommend some congregation for you to meet some serious Christians. That is if I know some in your area.
I live in Denver and attend Denver First Church Of The Nazarene
which seems to have a good group of folks. Any other ideas?

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