Questions of Reliability and/or Authorship

anglagard writesHey, Bertot here proceed with Jaywill as you wish I dont think Autumnman is going to return, the rest of the posts are yours, Jaywills or whoever. Have a blast its interesting to watch the thread proceedAnglagard writes:Besides this I think you will find Jaywill much more accomadating than you think.
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Phat writesSince Jaywill has not responded but I am sure he will, let me ask you this question in reference to the above statement.What is it that you expect "Spirit filled" people to do or not do? Since your implication indirectly is that they should act somehow differently than the average person, what exacally is it that you require? Should they walk on water, dance a jig, exacally what is it you are expecting to see. Since you make this assertion, Ill let you provide the answer.From a Biblical perspective, to be filled with the Spirit is to live by the Spirits teaching in the Word. "The words that I speak unto you, they are Spirit and they are life". John 6:63"If you love me keep my commnadments""Be not drunk with wine, but be filled with the Spirit"Let the words of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom""Quinch not the Spirit", etc, etc"The natural man recieves not the things of the Spirit,they are Spiritually undecernable"In this verse you have both the teaching of God and the interplay of mans freewill ("undecernable"). Mans mind has to be attuned to the things of God, before God grants him the "wisdom" to understand, "the unsearchable riches in Christ Jesus"."If any man lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, that gives to all men liberally and upbraids not".To ask is to want to acknowledge and obey him. Any person can have cold hard facts, but wisdom to understand them comes form God."By this shall all men know that you are my deciples if you love one another""Blessed assurance Jesus is mine, oh what a foretaste of Glory divine. Err of salvation, purchase of God, Born of His Spirit washed in his blood"This is one of the things we have that you cannot see presentlySince you did not make it clear what it is you are hoping to see, I will offer this at present as an answer to your question. Being a child of God makes or puts you in a better position here and finally in eternity, it does not circumvent my free will to disobey him or make me a better person than you or other wordly persons from a human perspective. I am certainly better off, but I am not better than you as a person. See the difference, atleast from a Biblical perspective?D BertotEdited by Bertot, : No reason given.Edited by Bertot, : No reason given.

SGM writes:Well, I thought we might keep this on an adult level, but apperanently we cant. Do you you even understand the difference between assertion and demonstrating a point forcibly. So many unsupported assertions like the one above. In the first place "swirly galaxy man", I never made the statement, "I am the way , the truth and the life, No man comes to the father, but by Me". Your lousy assertions about cheap grace, are nothing more than an ignorant person trying his best to sound intelligent. I dont have the slightest clue what this smattering ("superficial knowledge)of rambling nonsense means, or how how it applies to anything, maybe you could put it into perspective. Notice how your sentence starts, "I think", but its me that is self-righteous, Hmmmm? You problem is with God and Christ my simple little friend.What do you you guys do in the evenings go to "vaugeness and assertion" classes. Well Ive been studying these "simple verses" some thirty five years now and I thought I had a general understanding of what thier very simple implication or understanding was, but apparently I dont. so if you could enlighten me through your vast wisdom, (possibly Gnostic in nature) without simply "asserting" that I dont understand them, maybe this will help me. lets see if you can make more than baseless assertions.What is the essential teachings common to all Bibles and how did you decide what they should be? Did you get this from God through inspiration or are you using your own "self-righteouness" to decide?Again, since you did not want to answer or choose to avoid the question that Phat asked, I will ask it again. What is it that you expect "Spirit filled" people to do?Self-righteouss Bertot signing off for now.D BertotEdited by Bertot, : No reason given.

First off let me say that is a "Fat"question and in todays lingo that means its good, atleast according to the kids. But to show you how much I know about that, that term has probably been out of use for several years now and I am not without aware of it.I suppose I should be greatful that you asked a civil question, without a great deal of sarcasm and ridicule, but i suppose that will follow later. Also, except for that little round head with the heat coming off he top.The "we" are the same ones that Christ spoke of in John 17 when he said, "I do not pray that you take "them" out of the world but that you keep "them" form the world"."I am the shepherd and my sheep hear my voice and follow me".To hear is to obey willingly"Go ye therefore and make deciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit."Except ye believe in me, you will die in your sins""No man comes to the father but by me""If any man is in Christ he is a new creature, behold old things are passed away and all things are become new""Therefore we are buried with him in baptism, that like as Christ rose from the dead we also rise to walk in the newness of life.The "we" then would be ANYONE who CHOOSES to obey Christs commands regarding entrance into his kingdom and follws (from the heart) his principles for life and spiritualityOne plays a dangerous game when they start to pick and choose what "words of Christ" they want or what suits thier fancy.Heres an idea, instead of continuing to ask vauge general questions, why dont you state in no uncertain terms YOUR positions and beliefs about these matters, then we can quit the cat and mouse routine.D BertotEdited by Bertot, : No reason given.Edited by Bertot, : No reason given.

Jaywill it seems that you have been having a very interesting discussion here I am not familiar with the group to which you are asscociated. Do you have a specific website that will set out its exact beliefs and positions?As I am a member of the Church of Christ, you know that other cult, ha ha. i would be interested in what you believe the bible states about how one enters the Kingdom of Christ.I have challenged Phat and Anglangaard to state what it is that they expect an "Spirit Filled" person to or act like and they have moved away from thier assertion. I have also, challenged them to state in no uncertain terms thier positions on these matters, but they seem to not want to debate but quibble.Anywho, Ihpoe you dont mind me asking these questions.D BertotI

Anglagard writes; I also work for a living. Also how do you debate with someone that makes two fatal mistakes, that of assertion and piety. You gave me nothing to respond to initially. Secondly, now you quote verses and assume I and others are not following those quotes. Again how do you decide or determine people are not doing this without knowing them?I believe your initial argument was that your secular firends act no different than christians so how do you tell the difference? Now you are chainging it to a question piety. So how do I proceed?D Bertot