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elcano Member (Idle past 4568 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
Good question. Discussion is not so interesting to me. A problem more simple. To inform people that there are facts not conterminous with a modern picture of the past. These facts approve, that our representations about the past it is a myth. In our world there is too dangerous not a knowledge of the real past.
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elcano Member (Idle past 4568 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
From a site of the Italian volcanists.
The description of this eruption is made using the words of two witnesses of it: Giulio Cesare Recupito (De Vesuviano Incendio Nuntius) and Giulio Cesare Braccini (Dell'Incendio fattosi al Vesuvio a' XVI Dicembre 1631, e delle sue cause ed effetti). THE NIGHT BETWEEN 15 AND 16 DECEMBER: Recupito Earthquakes, particularly strong occurred during that night when we thought the same city teared from its foundations. For two days there were continuous tremors and frequent quakes: in the following five days the earthquake became less frequent until the all tragedy ended. In Naples, no house fell down but many were damaged. At Herculaneum, the palace of the Archbishop partially collapsed. http://vulcan.fis.uniroma3.it/vesuvio/1631_engtext.html What Herculaneum is in 1631? What the palace of the Archbishop is in Herculaneum?
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elcano Member (Idle past 4568 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
Sixteen centuries has passed and has passed six years on five and year without one month
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elcano Member (Idle past 4568 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
I do not deny, that Pompeii could be destroyed before 1631. It have been possibly restored after destruction. However the old city should be under the city, that today is dug out. I approve, that dug out the city was lost in 1631.
We have books the eruptions of Vesuvius written by witnesses in 1631.
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elcano Member (Idle past 4568 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
There is not Fomenko`s idea. This idea of Vesuvius being Sinaiis is N. A. Morosov (1854-1946)
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elcano Member (Idle past 4568 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
After thick layers of ash covered the two towns, they were abandoned and eventually their names and locations were forgotten. Then Herculaneum was rediscovered in 1738, and Pompeii in 1748.
Pompeii - Wikipedia However in 17 century still nobody forgot this name.Authors written in 1631 about eruption of Vesuvius know a site Pompeii and Herculaneum. Digitale Bibliothek - Münchener Digitalisierungszentrum PAGE NOT FOUND | Loyola University Chicago Libraries The text is written on a monument in Torre del Greco mentions Pompeii and Herculaneum. Just a moment... Have people forgotten about these cities or have not forgotten after eruption 79 years?
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elcano Member (Idle past 4568 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
I can agree with you. In that case the information of Wiki is not correct. There is no information in modern books that medieval authors mention Pompeii. (Why?)
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elcano Member (Idle past 4568 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
Journal of Volcanology and Geothermal Research 169 (2007) 87-98
The 79 AD eruption of Somma: The relationship between the date of the eruption and the southeast tephra dispersion G. Rolandi, A. Paone, M. Di Lascio, G. Stefani Abstract Somma-Vesuvius is a composite volcano on the southern margin of the Campanian Plain which has been active during the last 39 ka BP and which poses a hazard and risk for the main population center situated around its base. The fieldwork and data analysis on which this report is based are related to the eight Plinian eruptions that have occurred in the last 25 ka. For six of these eruptions, the fallout products were dispersed to the east-northeast, whereas deposits from the 25 ka Codola and AD 79 eruptions were dispersed in a south-easterly direction. During the AD 79 eruption, in particular, the dispersal axis migrated from the east-southeast to south-southeast. New high level wind data collected at the weather stations of the Aereonautica Militare data centres at Pratica di Mare (Rome) and Brindisi have been compiled to characterize the prevailing wind condition in the Somma-Vesuvius region. The common north-easterly dispersal directions of the Plinian eruptions are consistent with the distribution of ash by high-altitude winds from October to June. In contrast, the south-easterly trend of the AD 79 products appears to be anomalous, because the eruption is conventionally believed to have occurred on the 24th of August, when its southeast dispersive trend falls in a transitional period from the Summer to Autumnal wind regimes. In fact, the AD 79 tephra dispersive direction towards the southeast is not in agreement with the June-August high-altitude wind directions that are toward the west. This poses serious doubt about the date of the eruption and the mismatch raises the hypothesis that the eruption occurred in the Autumnal climatic period, when high-altitude winds were also blowing towards the southeast. New archaeological findings presented in this study definitively place the date of eruption in the Autumn, in good agreement with the prevailing high-altitude wind directions above Somma-Vesuvius. Moreover, wind data and past eruptive behaviour indicate that a future subplinian-Plinian eruption at Somma-Vesuvius has a good chance to occur when winds are blowing toward the eastern sectors (northeast-southeast), in the Autumnal-Winter period, and only a slightest chance in Summer, when winds are blowing toward the west, depositing ash fallout on the Neapolitan community.
The 79 AD eruption of Somma: The relationship between the date of the eruption and the southeast tephra dispersion Edited by Admin, : Fix long link, improve formatting.
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elcano Member (Idle past 4568 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
The nice picture from the book of 1737, in names of settlements is present Retina, Leucopetra, Porticus and Turris the Octave, which Herculaneum. Edited by Admin, : Reduce image width.
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elcano Member (Idle past 4568 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
quote:The Italian archeologists do not agree with eruption date. See Message 109 or quote: Edited by elcano, : No reason given.
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elcano Member (Idle past 4568 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
The letter of Pliny the Younger has also other reading.
quote: Retina (volgare Resina) a city existing in the Middle Ages, but not in the ancient time.
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elcano Member (Idle past 4568 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
quote:Fruit ripens about Christmas. Eruption of Vesuvius was 16 december 1631. Archeological finds assert that Pompey has been destroyed in the winter. Eruption described Pliny the Younger is not connected in any way with the destroyed city. Pliny the Younger knows nothing about the city of Pompey. See letter in Message 112 Edited by elcano, : No reason given.
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elcano Member (Idle past 4568 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
Cities destroyed in 1631.
Before and after eruption.
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elcano Member (Idle past 4568 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
You really believe that there are any sources confirming destruction of Pompey in 1631.
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elcano Member (Idle past 4568 days) Posts: 60 From: Moscow Joined: |
I think that Pliny the Younger has described real eruption of Vesuvius (or Etna), but this eruption has no communication with eruption destroyed Pompeii and Herculaneum. However there are following facts.
Epitaffio from Torre dell Greco From these facts follows that in 17 century there were any cities with the name Pompeii and Herculaneum and these cities have been destroyed on December, 16th, 1631. If it will be interesting to you, I will try to translate into English some more the facts in support of the version.Interesting photos from Pompey are here ‘ | — KasparovChess
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