Spotting Beretta's "designer" {Now only 1 summation message per member}

What you seem to have forgotten, or perhaps never knew in the first place, is that creationism was the prevailing paradigm in the study of natural history at the time that Darwin conceived of the ToE. The problem was that as more and more was learned about the natural world, it became obvious to everyone who studied the natural world that this paradigm could not account for what was observed.Despite what creos like to say, scientists did not accept the ToE because of a wave of secular antagonism towards religion. The scientists who accepted the ToE were virtually all men of faith, the christian faith to be exact. However, they were also men of science, and it was apparent to them that the ToE explained many, many things in nature, but the belief in a creator god explained none.Creationism had its day. But it lost in the field of science. And, barring a series of remarkable new discoveries, there's no going back to it, no matter what most intelligent people of sound mind or a miniscule percentage of scientists believe.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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The problem is that so many of us apply the logic relative to observed complex systems/organisms, the evidence we experience and observe relative to the existence of the Biblical god Jehovah, fulfilled prophecy, etc to the equation and conclude that the ID via Bibical Jehovah is the preferential and factual POV.

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Well, assuming I accurately suss the meaning of what you are saying, it sounds to me like nothing more than, "I don't understand what scientists are saying about how all of this could have come about naturally, so I conclude it must have been god."{AbE}As far as the rest of your post

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We see the prevailing ID paradigm as apostate to what was considered scientific when creationism had it's day. In fact, I see it as the apostacia (Greek) which the apostle Paul prophesied about in II Thessalonians 2:2 relative to the latter days.

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I don't understand a word of it, but it certainly doesn't seem to have anything to do with science.Edited by subbie, : No reason given.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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1. The complexity and preciseness of the atmospheric layers required for life on earth.

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I eagerly await your scientific evidence showing that no other combination of atmospheric layers could support any life, not just the types of life on this planet.

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2. The exact distances of sun, moon and earth and likely other solar bodies effecting life on earth.

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I eagerly await your scientific evidence showing that no other distance from the sun, moon or "other solar bodies" could support any life.

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3. The precise temperature of the sun required for life on earth.

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I eagerly await your scientific evidence showing that no other temperature of a star could support any life.

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4. The chemical and material (water, soil, air, etc) makeup of planet earth necessary for life on earth.

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I eagerly await your scientific evidence showing that no other chemical and "material" combination could support any life.

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5. Forces such as gravity precisely gauged to effect life on earth.

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I eagerly await your scientific evidence that no other level of planetary gravitational force could support any life.[Omitting the rest as not even remotely related to science.]

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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...collectively all requirements listed must be in place simultaneously for life to exist, no matter what the system is.

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I eagerly await your scientific evidence showing that no other combination of "requirements" could support life of any kind.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat