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Admin Director Posts: 13038 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
Rahvin writes: Continuing to ignore the details that refute your position that science and the Bible agree demonstrates that you either cannot understand the subject matter, or you prefer to lie. ICANT's participation here has been problematic for a while now. Whether his obvious sincerity is outweighed by what appears to be a willful need to misunderstand and misinterpret nearly everything hasn't yet been decided by the moderation team. Sorry to remain on the fence for so long, but in the meantime we request that members follow the Forum Guidelines by maintaining a civil tone. Maybe it would help to think of interactions with ICANT, Tesla and Hill Billy as psychology experiments rather than productive discussions. Thanks!
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: As you should already have known.
quote: That's your interpretation. You can't find one single clear explicit reference to this breakup. And if your interpretation was correct there should be one. Moreover it HAS to be quick to fit into the time.
quote: In Message 57 you stated that Peleg was born around 2250 BC. That's within the timeframe I suggested. And you got that from the Bible. There may be uncertainties in that dating - which is why I allowed a broad range. But they are of the order of centuries, not tens or hundreds of millions of years.
quote: I stated that nations DIVIDED the Earth.
quote: This has no logical connection to the point. It is possible for one of them to be in one place and the other not. In all the diagrams the water appears to be in "one place", yet the land is not really in any of them - even in the first there are channels cutting off two land masses in the south.
quote: The Bible does not even mention the continents moving ! That is your scenario, and your scenario require the movement to be many times more rapid than the measured speeds.
quote:Because it IS your idea. You're the one who said it happened in the lifetime of Peleg. And that means that it has to be fast. quote:Science DOES say that there were no humans 225 million years ago (and no known mammals, even). Therefore science says that Peleg cannot have lived then, and so science denies that the breakup of Pangaea could have occurred in the lifetime of Peleg. quote: This is wholly wrong. Science does not say anything so silly as the idea that all the water being in "one place" means that all the land is in one place. Nor does the Bible (you really are determined to put your own errors into the Bible - I guess that the real Bible isn't inaccurate enough for you). However the discussion is not about that. It is about your assertion that the "division" that occurred in the lifetime of Peleg refers to the breakup of Pangaea. As we have seen that is a dubious interpretaion that you have either invented or copied from someone else. THere is no real support for it in the Bible and in fact it is wholly incompatible with scientific understanding.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2978 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Creationist always follow the same trend...
(1) First they deny such a thing is accurate...(Sun as the center, ever changing planet, descent with mods) (2) Then they attack it...(trial of Galileo, witch hunts, Dover, PA) (3) Finally they say, after much scientific work has been done, that it was in the Bible the WHOLE time they just didn't know how to read it yet. Well you can thank science I guess for keeping these guys in the loop with their own faith however, they fail to make the correct connections with the time frames given by geologist.
My avatar is a picture of Pangea. Science says it was at one time. Science says it separated into the continents we have today. Genesis 1:9 says: "water gathered to one place rest called land."Genesis 10:25 says: "earth was divided in Peleg's days." Now you twist that any way you want too. It will still indicate the land was in one place and that the earth was divided (cleaved) in the days of Peleg. The seperation of the Pangea 250 millions and a story about worlds dividing 5000 years ago do not correlate, you can make the assumption but, you're doing so after the facts of the Pangea were known. Before that it was just a story about something that literally happened 5000 years ago. Your connection between the two is a presumption ICANT. All great truths begin as blasphemies |
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Jaderis Member (Idle past 3453 days) Posts: 622 From: NY,NY Joined: |
ICANT writes: Hi Jaderis, I am not a YEC or ID creationist. I was not trying to prove anything. I made a simple statement. But, yet you said this
ICANT writes: writes:
According to my Bible you will never find evidence as in a layer over the face of the earth. The tenth and eleventh chapters of Genesis tells of the tower of babel. When there was one language and God confounded the language and scattered them abroad upon the face of all the earth. Then the earth was divided. Up until that time all the land mass was in one place. When the earth was divided the oceans were formed and the mountains were formed.. So no you will never see that record No, you weren't trying to prove anything at all. You were just sitting around waiting for someone else to "prove" it for you? And then you can grasp one phrase and claim it as your own. And in the meantime you can try to debunk the ToE and all of geology and all of anthropology and pretend that your one idea in your head will conquer all of the science done in the last 150 years and you refuse to accept the "briliant ideas" which have been thought about already?
Whether the Bible is true or false it states two things that science says happened. The Bible said it a long time before science had a clue. Did the Bible people "have a clue? So the creation stories of (way before "science had a clue") of every other peoples who have been evidenced to have existed before your divine couple or those who don't agree with the Hebrew scriptures are false? How? Why is the evidence from the early Hebrews more convincing than the evidence from the early Chinese? How do you know this? "You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London "Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
Because it needed to be bumped (see here)
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Dave101 Junior Member (Idle past 5799 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
What do you find on top of every mountain range on this planet? Even Mt. Everest has these... Can you tell me hoe the petrified clusters of sea shells such as clams ended up on top of these mountain ranges unless they were underwater?
Just asking...
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4143 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
You sound exactly like a troll.
Plate tectonics - Wikipedia
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Are you going to regurgitate every silly creationist claim? One at a time?
If so, why don't you go to this website first:
Index to Creationist Claims, edited by Mark Isaak You will find all of the common creationist claims, several hundred of them, refuted. You can then either not use those useless arguments, or at least come up with some better evidence for them--something that has not been refuted already. Otherwise you are wasting our time and yours. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
I think you might want to read more of this topic before you start posting wildly.
What do you find on top of every mountain range on this planet? Even Mt. Everest has these... Can you tell me hoe the petrified clusters of sea shells such as clams ended up on top of these mountain ranges unless they were underwater? There's a topic currently at about 13 on the all topic list - Trilobites, Mountains and Marine Deposits - Evidence of a flood?. And it's easy reading - Only 6 messages so far. NO REPLIES TO THIS MESSAGE - DOING SUCH MAKE YOU SUBJECT TO A 24 HOUR POSTING PRIVILEGES SUSPENSION. Adminnemooseus
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hey, David101
What do you find on top of every mountain range on this planet? Even Mt. Everest has these... Can you tell me hoe the petrified clusters of sea shells such as clams ended up on top of these mountain ranges unless they were underwater? Just asking... Now go to Trilobites, Mountains and Marine Deposits - Evidence of a flood? and finish that thought. Hint: they were underwater for a loooooong time, not just days. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : . by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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