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In whose name would that be lawful?

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mark24

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Message 8 of 30 (468100)
05-27-2008 3:46 AM

Reply to: Message 7 by IamJoseph
05-26-2008 6:40 PM

Re: See It

IamJoseph,

Jeohova understandeth the nature of man - because that nature was constructed by Jehova.

Amd yet punished all subsequent generations because some fruit got eaten. If he understood the nature of man, wouldn't he have put a fence around it?

Seems to me he didn't understand it at all.

Mark

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Message 10 of 30 (468172)
05-28-2008 6:47 AM

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05-27-2008 6:09 PM

Re: See It

IamJoseph,

I see that as a naive interpretation. The forthcoming OT laws clearly define what constitutes a violation, so the reading of the eden story must be intergrated with those laws.

It's got nothing to do with "laws", it has to do with the nature of maN & god telling man not to do something that he allegedly knew was against his nature.

Mark

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Message 12 of 30 (468358)
05-29-2008 4:10 AM

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05-28-2008 11:02 AM

Re: See It

IamJoseph,

I agree it appears an overwhleming demand put to them. But on closer examination, even after the punishment was declared, there is clear signs of love and affection, namely that Adam and Eve are clothed by God when they became aware of their nakedness [a sign of knowledge].

Oh well, that's alright, then. All humanity gets doomed but as long as Adam & Eve get nice duds...

The fact remained that god knew their nature yet punished them for it.

Mark

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Message 14 of 30 (468397)
05-29-2008 8:32 AM

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05-29-2008 4:31 AM

Re: See It

The fact remained that god knew their nature yet punished them for it.

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Message 17 of 30 (469033)
06-03-2008 4:54 AM

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06-02-2008 4:49 PM

Re: Did the Kodesh self designate by a common generic designation?

CrazyDiamond,

According to the eternal Justice a child do not have to pay for a choice his-her parents made.

But they did, the fall of man.

Mark

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Message 20 of 30 (469181)
06-04-2008 11:25 AM

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06-03-2008 3:47 PM

Re: distinction between punishment and price to be paid

CrazyDiamond,

They did not pay for more than the price of the choice that they made, not a punishment.

Look, you said:

According to the eternal Justice a child do not have to pay for a choice his-her parents made

The bible clearly does punish humanity for the crimes of the father with the fall. It doesn't get more "for the crimes of the father" than that! You haven't said a single thing that challenges this.

Mark

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Message 24 of 30 (469346)
06-05-2008 7:02 AM

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06-04-2008 8:31 PM

Re: Did the Kodesh self designate by a common generic designation?

IamJoseph,

No, they did not. While there was a punishment for disobedience,

You contradicted yourself in the first sentence. It's not called the "fall of man" for nothing.

Mark

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Message 26 of 30 (469361)
06-05-2008 8:55 AM

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Re: Did the Kodesh self designate by a common generic designation?

The fall does not relate to the causation factor of death

Never said it did.

Mark

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