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Brian
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Message 39 of 64 (468741)
06-01-2008 3:27 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by ICANT
05-31-2008 7:41 PM


Re: Self-Righteous Christians???
What will happen to a born again child of God's?
According to Christian mythology they will live happily ever after in the Kingdom of God.
Can you tell me what will happen to someone who isn't a born again child of God?
Edited by Brian, : Grammar and spelling

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Brian
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Message 43 of 64 (468887)
06-02-2008 5:30 AM
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06-01-2008 9:20 AM


Re: Self-Righteous Christians???
I asked if a born again child of God did not do the things you said people were doing to be rewarded in the hearafter what would happen to them.
You didnt ask this you asked: "What will happen to a born again child of God's?"
Anyway, your born again child of God who doesn't beg the ass off God and doesn't do good deeds will join 'their father the devil'.
You worship such a lovely God you know.
It is intensely embarrassing that adults can take Christianity seriously.
What is missing in your life that you have to cling to an ancient fairytale to make you happy, or was it some traumatic episode that done something to your mind? A recovering alcoholic maybe, or drug addict, or NDE?

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Brian
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Message 49 of 64 (469035)
06-03-2008 5:21 AM
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06-02-2008 1:07 PM


Re: Self-Righteous Christians???
I answered your question in post 43.
Anyway, your born again child of God who doesn't beg the ass off God and doesn't do good deeds will join 'their father the devil'.

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Brian
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Message 51 of 64 (469045)
06-03-2008 8:24 AM
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06-02-2008 3:12 PM


Re: Self-Righteous Christians???
Coragyps could I ask, where you got your degree in theology?
Why does Coragyps need to have theology degree?
Can I ask where you got yours?

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Brian
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Message 55 of 64 (469135)
06-04-2008 12:57 AM
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06-03-2008 7:49 PM


Re: Self-Righteous Christians???
So, an overly subjective establishment, and not even a university!

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Brian
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Message 56 of 64 (469137)
06-04-2008 1:02 AM
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06-03-2008 7:56 PM


Re: Self-Righteous Christians???
Who, What, Where, When and Why.
Bit of a nightmare applying these questins to the Gospels, given that they were all anonymous and difficult to date.

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Brian
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Message 61 of 64 (469190)
06-04-2008 12:33 PM
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06-04-2008 11:15 AM


Re: Self-Righteous Christians???
But the gospels ARE all anonymous, that is a fact. Your opinion, my opinion, or anyone else's opinion makes no difference, the four Gospels are anonymous.
The 'prediction' in Matthew 24:2 is not a prediction since it was written after 70 CE. Scholars, such as A. H. McNeile use this verse to propose the earliest possible date for the Gospel, and McNeile even proposes that the Gospel could have been written as late as 115 CE.
An intersting fact about 'Matthew's' Gospel is that the earliest mention of it is by Eusebius in the 4th century when he refers to this Gospel being identified as having been written by Matthew by Bishop Papias in th emid 2nd century. But, Papias claims that Matthew collected the stories of Jesus in Hebrew, and the Gospel of Matthew we have is in Greek and shows no signs of being translated from Hebrew. We may not even have the same Gospel today that the early churches used.
But the point stands, ALL four Gospels ARE anonymous and they were named a long time after the disciples died.
It is very easy to make a prediction AFTER the fact, the Bible is full of redacted texts, which is only one aspect that makes it intensely interesting.
But, check the anonimity of the gospels out for yourself, I have no axe to grind here as I specialise in the prehistory books of the OT and rarely get involved in NT discussions.
From the Lutterworth Bible Dictionary p558, The identification of this Gospel with Matthew the tax collector, though possible, is unproven. The Gospel is anonymous, even though for convenience it continues to be referred to as 'matthew'.
Cheers.
Brian.

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Brian
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From: Scotland
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Message 64 of 64 (469349)
06-05-2008 7:16 AM
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06-04-2008 2:28 PM


Re: Self-Righteous Christians???
Wasn't Matthew's gospel translated from Hebrew into Greek by James the Less?
I haven't heard that one but it isn't impossible. But, if James the Less did translate it from Hebrew into Greek then it is different to the gMat that we have as our one shows no signs of being translated from Hebrew, all scholars agree on this.
Is not Luke considered a historian and the book of Luke and Acts ascribed to him?
Indeed, although he wasn't a very good historian, but the keyword is 'ascribed', the books were simply allocated to Paul's companion. But technically speaking, the books were anonymous, they may well be correctly allocated to Luke, but no one knows for certain.
Irenaeus, Clement, Origen and Tertullian all believed Luke wrote both.
But that is a non-sequitur though isn't it? What they believed has no bearing on the truth, the books don't suddenly become Luke's just because some people believe they were his.
Luke traveled with Paul so his writings would date fairly early. So if Luke wrote the book of Luke it could not have been long after the disciples died.
And if Luke didn't write it?
However, I am not going to labour the point. I just find it a very interesting FACT that all four Gospels are anonymous works (that's why they are all headed with the words 'according to'), with the author's names allocated to them hundreds of years after the disciples died.

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