Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9164 total)
4 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,907 Year: 4,164/9,624 Month: 1,035/974 Week: 362/286 Day: 5/13 Hour: 0/2


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Oprah Winfrey is doing more harm than good in Africa.
pelican
Member (Idle past 5015 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 1 of 26 (454912)
02-09-2008 9:42 AM


Although O is doing the best she knows how from her personal life experiences, I believe she is not qualified to lead the education of the children in Africa.
O was born and raised in america as an american. The people and especialy the mothers of Africa have a completly different culture and value system.
O is even dressing the girls in uniforms as she was dressed, not in traditional african dress.
Is oprah causing more harm than good by educating these children to american standards when africa will never have the resources to sustain an american way of life?
Edited by Admin, : Fix spelling error in title.

Replies to this message:
 Message 2 by Phat, posted 02-09-2008 10:48 AM pelican has replied
 Message 3 by Granny Magda, posted 02-09-2008 11:15 AM pelican has replied
 Message 4 by Percy, posted 02-09-2008 11:31 AM pelican has replied
 Message 5 by Rahvin, posted 02-09-2008 11:39 AM pelican has not replied
 Message 13 by Creationista, posted 02-11-2008 1:20 PM pelican has not replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 5015 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 8 of 26 (455016)
02-09-2008 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Percy
02-09-2008 11:31 AM


History tells us to never underestimate the potential for well-intentioned people to wreak havoc.
I agree with that completely. The white folks over here thought they were doing the Aboriginal community a favour. They still live in poverty today. They have suffered so much and only now are these people being heard. Oprah ain't even asking never mind listening.
Edited by paula rose, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 4 by Percy, posted 02-09-2008 11:31 AM Percy has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 10 by Rahvin, posted 02-09-2008 9:33 PM pelican has replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 5015 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 9 of 26 (455020)
02-09-2008 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Granny Magda
02-09-2008 11:15 AM


Education does not = more work
I have to take issue with this bit. First, America doesn't have the resources to sustain an American way of life. If everybody lived as we do in the prosperous West, we would need about four Earths.
Why take issue, Magda? You have highlighted my point exactly. Where does America get all their resourses from?
SA is a developed country, with plenty of infrastructure and industry.
This is just not true.
The problem is that the jobs always used to go to the white population.
So now the whites are out of work?
They want to be lawyers, journalists, biologists and engineers. That is why they need education.
If we all aspired to these heights and reached these levels of professionalism, do you think the world would be a better place?
You know Magda, it is quite possible you have a pair of drapes hanging at your window that I made whilst earning a living for my family. I churned out hundreds that were distributed all over the world. There will be no more sewing machinists. I made jeans and lingerie too. No more cheap mass production. I can't wait. I can make my own clothes.
There are far reaching possible disastrous consequences that we are leaving as a legacy for our children. We need to see them now, not wait for the future and learn again in retrospect, or not as the case may be.
Don't patronise them.
Wrong again. I matronize them because I am them.
Edited by paula rose, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 3 by Granny Magda, posted 02-09-2008 11:15 AM Granny Magda has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 12 by nator, posted 02-10-2008 10:39 AM pelican has replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 5015 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 11 of 26 (455065)
02-10-2008 4:45 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Rahvin
02-09-2008 9:33 PM


History tells us to never underestimate the potential for well-intentioned people to wreak havoc.
This was the only comparison I made.
I agree with that completely. The white folks over here thought they were doing the Aboriginal community a favour.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 10 by Rahvin, posted 02-09-2008 9:33 PM Rahvin has not replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 5015 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 15 of 26 (455276)
02-11-2008 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Phat
02-09-2008 10:48 AM


Re: The Grand Ole Oprah
Yes, time will tell. I just hope it isn't too late when it does.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 2 by Phat, posted 02-09-2008 10:48 AM Phat has not replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 5015 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 16 of 26 (455283)
02-11-2008 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by nator
02-10-2008 10:39 AM


Re: Education does not = more work
Nator, I have obviously not been clear on what I am implying. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
It is a complicated issue. I believe the education of the african children in this way is missing vital steps. The education should be built on what they already have.
The example I can give is of the Aboriginal peoples here. The indigenous people were here thousands of years before the whites invaded. The whites only a couple of hundred. The aboriginal people already had a huge history in the spoken language and in art.
The black african peoples are exactly the same in that they have thousands of years history and a culture that is founded on their history. This is the starting point. They have the solutions themselves if only they were asked.
The good deeds of the whites dispossessed the Aboriginal poeples from their families and their history. They were expected to become extinct. A much reduced population is finally being heard. We are now learning much from them. I bow my head in shame.
I find your implication that we should withold education from people who currently, due to their lack of opportunity to become educated, are the labor pool which produces cheap consumer goods for rich western nations, simply because it would be terrible to not have cheap laborers anymore to be morally repugnant.
The implications of this view point truly gives me the shudders. The inequality is staggering.
Edited by paula rose, : No reason given.
Edited by paula rose, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 12 by nator, posted 02-10-2008 10:39 AM nator has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 17 by nator, posted 02-12-2008 7:11 AM pelican has replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 5015 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 18 of 26 (455405)
02-12-2008 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by nator
02-12-2008 7:11 AM


Re: Education does not = more work
We meet again and again. Are you following me? I'm glad you do. I do a lot of implying and do not always state clearly what I mean. I know what I mean and think everyone else does, so thanks again.
Then why did you imply that it would be terrible if this cheap labor pool was lost and we all had to make our own clothing and draperies?
..............
I was implying that it would be good if the cheap labour was lost and the 'pool' paid a living wage equal to other workers who put in the same amount of labour.
These skills and these jobs are an important part of our survival, just as the manufacture of every other commodity that comes from cheap labour. Hope this clarifes my position.
Through personal experience of working for many years in British sweat shops, cotton mills and clothing manufacturers, I know it was bloody hard work in cockroach, hot, dirty smelly conditions for low pay. I was lucky compared to others still enduring worse conditions and lower pay than I.
These skills and these jobs in the labour market are the backbone of the world. We cannot and should not educate ourselves out of these jobs. Who will empty my bin or yours?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 17 by nator, posted 02-12-2008 7:11 AM nator has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 19 by Creationista, posted 02-12-2008 12:35 PM pelican has not replied
 Message 20 by obvious Child, posted 02-12-2008 7:40 PM pelican has replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 5015 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 21 of 26 (457274)
02-22-2008 5:10 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by obvious Child
02-12-2008 7:40 PM


Re: Education does not = more work
Our consumption levels would decrease,
Would this not be for the greater good?
If you want to help people, buy more sweatshop goods.
Could we not buy less and send them the money we would have spent on things we did not need?
Perhaps where the world suffers an serious disaster maybe. But other wise no.
Don't you think these people are not already suffering a serious disaster?
I understand there would be huge economic upheaval to bring equality to the world's population but don't you think it may be worth every penny?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 20 by obvious Child, posted 02-12-2008 7:40 PM obvious Child has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 22 by obvious Child, posted 02-23-2008 2:58 PM pelican has replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 5015 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 23 of 26 (457533)
02-23-2008 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by obvious Child
02-23-2008 2:58 PM


the money game
I see your observations are from an economis viewpoint. Although it is important, whilst the value of money is prioritized above the welfare of humanity, nothing will change. Many don't wish for change. Many do, and nothing can stop change. It's only a matter of time.
The world economy suits only some and is very detrimental to others. If the money game collasped, the only ones untouched will be those with nothing to lose or are willing to lose. The poorest people would survive as they have for god knows how many years. Could we survive? Is money worth worshipping or are we?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 22 by obvious Child, posted 02-23-2008 2:58 PM obvious Child has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 24 by obvious Child, posted 02-24-2008 3:35 PM pelican has replied

  
pelican
Member (Idle past 5015 days)
Posts: 781
From: australia
Joined: 05-27-2007


Message 25 of 26 (457662)
02-24-2008 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by obvious Child
02-24-2008 3:35 PM


Re: the money game
Except that your method of changing the welfare of humanity results in everyone being poor. The requirements to bring the 3rd world's quality of life to the 1st world will bankrupt not only the 1st but the semi-periphery countries as well. Without wealth to fund trade, everyone essentially goes broke. I fail to see how that is the better alternative.
It would level the playing fields for those millions already in poverty. The balance of power would be equal. Fantastic.
It isn't the money that is of value but the goods that are traded with money. The goods have value far above the monetry value. Peoples lives are invested in these goods which are just thrown away.
I would think most people fear poverty and whilst poverty exists, there will always be the fear of poverty perpetuating itself over and over again. The power of money is the creator of poverty. An ingenius game don't you think?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 24 by obvious Child, posted 02-24-2008 3:35 PM obvious Child has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 26 by obvious Child, posted 02-25-2008 3:31 PM pelican has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024