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onifre Member (Idle past 2978 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
I believe I can sum it up like this..."creationism is wrong". I hope that helped.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2978 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
If nobody can answer this issue of the races, then other inconsistencies form themselves. The table of nations seems to imply that Japheth was the father of all Mediterranean Europeans. Among his sons is Javan, which means Greece. Ham was the father of the Egyptians and Kushites (Sudanese) - all North Africans. Shem was the father of the people of the Near East. I don't understand where you're coming from...do you believe the accounts in the bible to be real or not? You seem to be contradicting yourself or you seem to be in an inner fight with scripture and archeology. You make all the right points for believe the bible to be false so whats your question on the races? Don't follow the bible, problem solved. Theres a great book call "The Evolution of Skin" check it out it should provide you with the answers. Edited by onifre, : No reason given. All great truths begin as blasphemies
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onifre Member (Idle past 2978 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
White people have the lowest levels of melanin, and black have the most. This is so wrong it almost sounds like a joke. Was it a joke? What gives human's their skin pigmentation is different types of melanin; it has nothing to do with more or less melanin.
See herequote: Now, explain how these different variations in melanin evolved, that's the real question and a good topic to discuss. But I did enjoy your whimsical tale of human evolution...it was quite amusing. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2978 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say it is both since your wiki article states of eumelanin, 'In humans, it is more abundant in peoples with dark skin.' Right, but it's not an increase or decrease in one specific melanin; it's the absence or presence of different types of melanin that give the variations in skin pigmentation. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2978 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Then I guess a more specific explanation from dennis is need. What did he mean by "lowest levels" of melanin.
We all have same amount or "levels", just not the same type. I don't see why "lowest" or "more" is needed. It would be more accurate to say that we have different types of melanin that cause different variations in skin pigmentation. Just to note, these different types of melanin also vary the color of hair and eyes, so its not just skin that melanin effects. Also, individual people can have a combination of the different types so they'll vary in not only skin but eye color, hair, etc. A black person can have the dark skin but also have light eyes, produced by having different combinations of melanin types. And vice versa; white people can have different combos producing unique variations in their skin, eyes, hair, etc. To me, it is not accurate nor suffice to simply say, white people have the lowest levels and black people have the most. I was hoping that dennis clarified what he meant though. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2978 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
If white people did have less melanin But they don't...that's the point. We all have the same amount of melanin, just different types that produce different features. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2978 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Oh, sure, he's just plain old wrong, but what he meant seemed to be fairly clear. Yeah, that's what I though too, but Wounded King and Slev threw me off with their replies. I thought I made a mistake. I only know of this subject from a book I read about 2 years ago, so WK's opinion esp. I would listen to. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2978 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
That's the information I'm not sure about. Is that right ? Are you sure it's not a mixt of both different types and different concentrations ? Shit now I'm confused myself. Working from pure memory serves me no good, so this is currently what I could find: Melanogenesisquote: My understand is, it's the different amount or mixture of types of polymers (such as Eumelanin, Pheomelanin or Neuromelanin) that varies the skin pigmentation. So its not that you have more melanin or less melanin, its that you have more of a certain kind of polymer. Maybe a better way to say it is, we all have the same amount of melanocytes just different polymers. Maybe? If someone with more knowledge on this cares to explain it I'm more than willing to be shown where I am wrong. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2978 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
I think you have an almost equally over simplified approach as Denis here Damn, and here I was thinking I made it too complex.
Having the same number of melanocytes means nothing, they only produce the melanin so the same number of melanocytes doesn't mean the same amount of melanin. Yeah I think I get that now having read it over a few times. So would it be more accurate to say we all have the same amount of melanocytes, we just have different active polymers that result in different skin pigmentation? - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2978 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
If white people did have less melanin and that was a reduction in information then Adam and Eve would have been black because they woulda had so much more melanin." Why are you choosing to stop at homo-sapiens? Adam and Eve would have been hominids. And why stop at hominids? we can keep going to the common ancestor of all mammals, or all vertibrates. Right? Hominids weren't "black" homo-sapiens, were around much earlier and had different amounts of melanin. This screws your whole theory up. The Biblical creation is clearly disproven by these facts.
If creation is true, then God is the source of all information, so information could only be lost over time. So you're saying *if* YOU'RE version of creation (the christian version I'm assuming) is true...then Adam and Eve were homo-sapiens and black. Ok To quote lyx2no: "*If* worms had machine guns robins wouldn't eff with 'em." If we allow for *if's* nothing is impossible. What does the evidence point to, that's the only thing that matters.
I hope everyone did not read too much into my generalization. I was more interested in making the point that useful information cannot be gained over time. Sorry. No worries. Your ignorance on the subject helped my ignorance on the subject. Thanks. - Oni
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