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obvious Child
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Message 5 of 19 (455527)
02-12-2008 7:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by GDR
02-10-2008 10:21 PM


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I hardly ever seem to hear anything by any of the candidates about the huge deficit that is being run by the US govt., let alone the mountain of debt including foreign debt that is accumulating.(Except Ron Paul and he isn't going anywhere.) There is the usual talk about cutting spending but nobody is suggesting that they will bring in a balanced budget, unless I'm missing something which is always possible.
Doesn't anybody think this is a problem?
Of course it's an problem. Economic Conservatives are furious with the Republican party. But the problem is most Americans are too busy or too stupid to pay attention to the problem of mounting debts and deficits. What they do pay attention to is the falling dollar, but Americans in general have weak economic backgrounds. Many are supporting the stimulus plan and interest rate cuts. Both of those will further weaken the dollar, yet I have not seen any mention of that in any major media outlet.
No one talks about cutting spending and raising taxes because it doesn't get them votes. The problem with Populist Democracies is that the people vote to elect politicians that will help them, not do what is best for the country. Hence we keep putting off the issues that matter to pander to the issues that people care about.
David Walker, the comptroller of the federal government has been running around the country with people from both the conservative Heritage foundation and liberal brooks institute trying to inform people of the coming fiscal crisis. Yet obviously his campaign isn't working.
Americans are dumb. There are still people who think that supply side economics is a good idea.

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Message 8 of 19 (455534)
02-12-2008 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Chiroptera
02-12-2008 7:33 PM


Or that the remaining republicans who haven't jumped ship may still believe that "deficits don't matter."
Most people just don't understand macro economics and how it relates to international relations. So we ignore them for issues like gay marriage. Seriously.

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Message 10 of 19 (455538)
02-12-2008 7:48 PM
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02-12-2008 7:42 PM


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Well as a Canadian let me say I disagree with the first part of your statement and as for the second part I can't see where supply side economics has anything to do with it. It doesn't matter what economic philosophy you believe in. Spending more than you earn is just not a good thing whether it be in your household or your country.
Fine. Humans are stupid. Supply side economics are largely the reason why the debt is where it is now. Under Reagan, the debt skyrocketed. Bush Sr tried to stop it and Clinton went to back to Keynes, but Jr started it all up again. The debt is almost 100% of the US GDP. Republicans still back that logic despite history saying they are completely wrong and that their applied models make things worse. They just don't understand. Supply siders believe that if you cut taxes and give money back, that will result in more taxation revenue as more business is created. Not an bad idea in theory, but Congress has shown it is incapable of cutting spending at the same time. Thus we end up with huge outflows and smaller inflows. So no, they do believe that spending more then you take in is an good idea.

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Message 12 of 19 (455541)
02-12-2008 7:50 PM
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02-12-2008 7:49 PM


I don't think you understand just how illiterate Americans are when it comes to economics.

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