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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
The claim that education outside vocational schools has little or no practical benefit is so obviously wrong that there seems no need to actually rebut it. Just let it stand.
It is relevant to note that some people do not learn well in formal learning environments, and this is probably where the belief by some that "book lernin` tain't worth much" comes from. While it is true that some people can graduate from an institution of learning having actually learned little, the generalization that this is true of everyone is obviously false. --Percy
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi Percy,
Percy writes: While it is true that some people can graduate from an institution of learning having actually learned little, the generalization that this is true of everyone is obviously false. You say it so elequotenly. Some learn very little and the diploma does not tell you who did learn and who did not. So what is the value of the diploma? Bod Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Percy Member Posts: 22392 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
ICANT writes: So what is the value of the diploma? What is the relevance of this question to this thread? If you really want to discuss whether diplomas have value then you should probably start a thread over at the [forum=-14]. --Percy
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.5 |
Hi compmage,
compmage writes: Was it not the same for your diploma? I had 2 years classroom then 4 years of on the job and classroom training. Not many schools have such a program. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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tesla Member (Idle past 1593 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
i enjoyed this story of course.
many men walk everyday with full faith that what they do and study is real. but give no thought to what is real of what there studying IN. they might answer, earth, or universe. but they havent considered the "very" beginning. they choose to not look, because its more comfortable. or maybe they just cant reason that far by the way they have learned to reason. just my opinion tho. good story i enjoyed it keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: You designed the bridges? Or built them? Anyway, you missed the point of my analogy. When I wrote:
Just because someone didn't get their engineering degree at MIT doesn't mean that they aren't qualified to build a bridge, you know. It was just another way of saying that just because teachers (or civil engineers) didn't pass muster with your brother's high standards (like they have at MIT) doesn't mean they aren't qualified to teach (build bridges). Just becasue people don't pass a very difficult test doesn't mean they aren't adequate to a particular task, in other words. So, where did he get the 10% figure?
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Of course, that isn't true. Many, many schools have a lot of practical coursework, required internships, etc.
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Crooked to what standard Member (Idle past 5845 days) Posts: 109 From: Bozeman, Montana, USA Joined: |
quote: How is that an accurate representation of atheists and christians. Here: Would you want to stomp your toes? So why would God? Yes, God can, but why would he? Iesous Christos H Theos H Uios Soter Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.
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Crooked to what standard Member (Idle past 5845 days) Posts: 109 From: Bozeman, Montana, USA Joined: |
quote: Okay, let's put this into context. Lets say that: First, we've only been to three spherical celestial bodies (earth, moon, mars). We've only found life on one. So, we've only observed one 'river'. And, I'd observed the river (remember we've excluded every other river because we only know one world) for five days (or fifty years). Now if an evolutionist saw that this stalactite grew only a half of a centimeter in fifty years, he'd think that the 2-meter-tall stalactite would be 200 years old, right. Yet, I'm not allowed to do that? Sure, using knowledge of other rivers would disprove my theory of that 'watery black hole', but if we ever visit worlds outside of our solar system and if we find life on them, then our knowledge would expand. Now, we know that seasons can affect a river's flow. And those changed quite possibly would put debris into the river. But, if one only observed the river for five days during a calm, debris-free period (and had no knowledge of seasons' effect on rivers), one would think that absolutely nothing floated down the river but fish and water. Who knows if the Milky Way doesn't have seasons? What if it does, but we've only been alive (or recording) for a 'five-day period' and have had no knowledge of these galactic seasons that may have affect on the earth's clock. Personally, I think that a 'galactic season-change' will be here soon (within five years, to be more exact). Iesous Christos H Theos H Uios Soter Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.
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Crooked to what standard Member (Idle past 5845 days) Posts: 109 From: Bozeman, Montana, USA Joined: |
quote: Well, if Jim is laying dead with blood still seeping from a knife wound and Bob is the only other person (let's assume that the detectives don't exist), then we could logically assume that Bob killed Jim. I'm saying that Bob killed Jim. You're saying that the wind blew the knife off of the magnetic knife holder, it bounced twice on the counter, went into a toaster which popped up, and threw the knife into Jim who happened to be fixing a bowl of cereal next to the toaster and that Bob never existed. P.S. Jim is dead, because we're alive. I assumed that the death of Jim referred to the beginning of life. Iesous Christos H Theos H Uios Soter Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1255 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Okay, let's put this into context. Lets say that:
Wow, that was fun! Let me try. Let's say that
I've spent the age of the universe watching the entire universe and saw no sign of the presence of god. Therefore, not only is there no god, I've demonstrated that anyone who thinks there is even any evidence for the existence of god is demonstrably wrong. Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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Crooked to what standard Member (Idle past 5845 days) Posts: 109 From: Bozeman, Montana, USA Joined: |
quote: What happened to the dodo? What is happening to the whales? How come ever since man started to record things, we've only seen species go extinct. We've never seen a new species emerge. So, if species are only going extinct, the farther back in time you go, the more species you'd get. However, according to evolution, everything has descended from a freak accident cell, [i]one single species[i]! So evolutionists can't explain the decreasing species numbers. But I can. The wisest and richest man in the world a long time ago wrote something. He was the guy that had the ability to do anything, have anything, etc. and he realized it was all for rot. Here's what he wrote:
King Solomon in Ecclesiastes 1:9, 10 writes: ...there is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which one can say, “Look! This is something new”? It was here already, long ago; it was here before our time. Edited by Ichthus, : More information. Iesous Christos H Theos H Uios Soter Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.
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subbie Member (Idle past 1255 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
How come ever since man started to record things, we've only seen species go extinct. We've never seen a new species emerge. A much more interesting question to ask would be how many times do we have to tell a creo that speciation has been observed in a laboratory setting and in the natural world before the creo will stop spreading the falsehood that we've never seen a new species emerge? Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
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Crooked to what standard Member (Idle past 5845 days) Posts: 109 From: Bozeman, Montana, USA Joined: |
quote: That's nice, but how does those five minutes have anything to do with anything? My time periods were actually in relation, because somebody tried to put that river with the world, so I expounded. You expounded on nothing. You just pulled numbers out of mid-air. Iesous Christos H Theos H Uios Soter Jesus Christ, Son of God, Savior.
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Crooked to what standard Member (Idle past 5845 days) Posts: 109 From: Bozeman, Montana, USA Joined: |
quote: If new species are emerging, how come we're worried about others going extinct. According to you, these new species are better that the last ones, so shouldn't we be attempting to help evolution create the perfect animal. Just for clarification, humans aren't the perfect animal.
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