God vs. Science

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He the guy who hire and fire.

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The first 10 years he recommended who to hire and fire. Then he was given total responsibility.

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He has a test they have to pass for the subject they are interviewing for. Then he interviews each one and checks for people skills.

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Maybe he just has his goals set too high. He is a perfectionist.

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But his job is easy now. He has very little turn over. He keeps good teachers until they retire or die.

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He keeps records of all interviews and test results.

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So, it perhaps isn't that the people he rejected weren't qualified, but that he has very high standards and they didn't meet his standard.Just because someone didn't get their engineering degree at MIT doesn't mean that they aren't qualified to build a bridge, you know.Just because someone doesn't meet your brother's qualifications (and we don't know if they had more to do with his own biases rather than a real objective assesment of teaching ability) doesn't mean they aren't qualified teachers.I mean, what are the statistics from his county? Is his one of the best school districts in the country as far as test scores and kids going on to college or something?And how did he come to the 10% figure?

So, literally, your entire faith is based on your incredulity that anything that exists could have come from something other than a deity.What you're saying is identical to claiming the existence of a knife proves Bob killed Jim.The knife alone proves nothing other than a knife exists...especially if Jim was shot, or better yet, is still alive. A knife with Jim's blood, Bob's fingerprints, and a dead Jim would be evidence for Bob killing Jim...but without those bits of evidence, the conclusion from the knife's mere existence is a gigantic non sequitur.Likewise, without some sort of actual evidence of a deity, the mere existence of the Universe and life (especially with the growing validity of completely natural explanations for the processes and structures found in the Universe) proves absolutely nothing with regards to a deity. We'd need to find real evidence that the deity exists.In the Young Earth case, it's easy to test. For example, you brought up tree rings. If the world is only a few thousand years old and trees were made to grow faster for a period of time, we should see fewer rings, but at least one extremely large ring from the period of accelerated growth (since the rings are created by the seasons, not simply the growth of the tree), and we should see this in all trees of the correct age.We see nothing of the sort.We have the knife, but the blood, fingerprints, and even the dead body are missing. And Jim is tapping you on the shoulder saying "I'm not actually dead, I'm standing right here."

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When you know you're going to wake up in three days, dying is not a sacrifice. It's a painful inconvenience.

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Oh, just like you don't know evolution happened, you only believe them.

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Incorrect.I trust that the very same scientific method that put men on the moon, split the atom, and eliminated smallpox from the face of the earth is also able to help us understand how life changed over time.I can check all of the evidence for Evolution against reality if so choose, using that same method.The scientific method works, you know, regardless if you believe in it, or the results you get, or not.So you see, I don't simply believe in Evolution, like you believe in God.My trust is very conditional. The evidence in reality, that any disinterested observer can accept, is what I require.If you accept as effective and trustwothy the method that produces every modern medical breakthrough, then how can you reject that very same method when one of its findings contradicts your religious beliefs?

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How about this?

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I know how God works.

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I do not know why God does what He does.

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That's still a problem for you.You now have a lot of explaining for why God would cause millions to be born only to live horrible lives of suffering and fear, before they die young, never knowing health, love, or any joy at all.That he picked you, a privilaged rich person, to help with something as trivial and meaningless as your raft getting stuck, when millions are suffering, or being raped, or getting shot, or blown up, or stabbed, and he makes not one effort to do anything about it....but He's very concerned with your raft.your God has strange priorities.

Ironically enough, its not only the scientific method but its application through the Theory of Evolution itself that produces quite a few medical breakthroughs these days.

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When you know you're going to wake up in three days, dying is not a sacrifice. It's a painful inconvenience.

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A diploma can be forged.

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Sure.What's your point?

So, do you think that all scientists are dumbasses?

Hey! It's his god. If he wants to create a god who thinks that everything revolves around Ichthys, then everything else, including the truth, is by definition peripheral.

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{When you search for God, y}ou can't go to the people who believe already. They've made up their minds and want to convince you of their own personal heresy.
("The Jehovah Contract", AKA "Der Jehova-Vertrag", by Viktor Koman, 1984)Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the world.
(from filk song "Word of God" by Dr. Catherine Faber, No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.echoschildren.org/CDlyrics/WORDGOD.HTML)Of course, if Dr. Mortimer's surmise should be correct and we are dealing with forces outside the ordinary laws of Nature, there is an end of our investigation. But we are bound to exhaust all other hypotheses before falling back upon this one.
(Sherlock Holmes in The Hound of the Baskervilles)Gentry's case depends upon his halos remaining a mystery. Once a naturalistic explanation is discovered, his claim of a supernatural origin is washed up. So he will not give aid or support to suggestions that might resolve the mystery. Science works toward an increase in knowledge; creationism depends upon a lack of it. Science promotes the open-ended search; creationism supports giving up and looking no further. It is clear which method Gentry advocates.
("Gentry's Tiny Mystery -- Unsupported by Geology" by J. Richard Wakefield, Creation/Evolution Issue XXII, Winter 1987-1988, pp 31-32)

LOL!Fair enough.

Hi Granny, No. He is not responsible to or for you. He is only responsible to the people who pay his salary which is the county in which he is employed. His job is to provide the best education for the citizens of that county and none other.I was trying to make the point that a diploma does not mean a person is qualified to do a job. It just means that they have met the riquirement to be able to do the job.Education is a tool.Having the tools and being able to use the tools is two different things.Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi fallacycop, I do have a diploma.No I am not bitter.Just stating a fact.Because a person has a diploma does not mean anything.It only tells you that a person has met the schools requirement nothing else.It does not tell you a person can do the job unless it is a vocational school. Where part of the training is actually doing what is being taught that the diploma is for.Have fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi nator, Are you saying since I do not have an engineering degree that all the interstate bridges I built 40 years ago are going to fall down? yesHave fun,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Why did you go through the trouble of getting a diploma that does not mean anything?

Hi fallacycop, I went for an education. Which I received as my grades would indicate.They awarded me a diploma.Now if I had not had the ability to put into practice what I had learned what good would it have been?A diploma says a person has attained a certain mark to qualify for the diploma.It does not say anything about a person's ability to do a certain task.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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A diploma says a person has attained a certain mark to qualify for the diploma.

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It does not say anything about a person's ability to do a certain task.

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Did your diploma not include any practicle sessions?I don't have a diploma but I do have a national certificate and I did complete the first year of my degree and both required extensive practicle work. Practicle work that counted towards my final marks. I haven't done the math but I would imagine that it would be difficult to pass without being able to actually apply what you had learnt.Was it not the same for your diploma?Edited by compmage, : Fixed spelling mistake.