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Syamsu 
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Message 316 of 319 (45083)
07-04-2003 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 314 by Dr_Tazimus_maximus
07-03-2003 11:05 AM


When I said that in Natural Selection variation is assumed to exist, I didn't mean assumed as opposed to observed to exist, but I just meant that the origin of the variation is left unexplained in Natural Selection. So your accusation of lying is simply baseless.
Dr Tazimus Maximus:
"Selection is based on interactions between an individual and it's total environment."
You can't say something like that, since Natural Selection is based on a variational pairing and not on an individual. I can say things like that, since my definition is individual. I have to insist that since this difference between individual and a variational pairing is the subject at issue in this thread, that you strictly stick to the definition which you support.
You might find it terribly difficult to do that, to stick to describing in terms of variational pairing, but that is what you support, and that you find it difficult, that you can't talk sensibly about an individual organisms fitness, that is a big point in favour of the more flexible definition without variation.
regards,
Mohammad Nor Syamsu

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Syamsu 
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Message 317 of 319 (45085)
07-04-2003 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 313 by Peter
07-02-2003 4:14 AM


in 8,9,10 and 11, things are messy due to the comparison
So then the explanation for the diversity is mutation, and through selection the diversity is limited to mutations that contribute to reproduction. Still no need for comparison.
I was using diversity as different kinds of organisms, I don't really understand what you mean by diversity. Anyway, you have no basis to accuse of me of anything.
Peter wrote:
8) A beneficial change may allow an individual to live and reproduce
longer than an individual with no change, neutral, or detrimental
changes.
9) A detrimental change may allow an individual to live and reproduce
shorter than an individual with no change, neutral, or beneficial
changes.
10) The changes can be passed on to offspring.
11) (8) & (9) logically imply that after a number of generations
the frequency of the beneficial change will be greater than the
frequency of the detrimental change.
regards,
Mohammad Nor Syamsu

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Syamsu 
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Message 318 of 319 (45086)
07-04-2003 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 315 by Minnemooseus
07-03-2003 8:17 PM


Re: Prep for topic closure?
The standard definition of Natural Selection, differential reproductive success of variants, is wrong, for requiring variation to apply. There is no justification for including variation in the definition, so variation should be cut from the definition of Natural Selection.
regards,
Mohammad Nor Syamsu

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Message 319 of 319 (45090)
07-04-2003 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 315 by Minnemooseus
07-03-2003 8:17 PM


Re: Prep for topic closure?
quote:
As per the "The Nature of Mutations" topic, it seems that topics that go too many pages are subject to technical problems.
Before this topic gets closed, would Syamsu care to try to CONCISELY summarize what his objections to Darwinism are?
Then, if needed, we can proceed on to "Destroying Darwinism II".
(Ad)minnemooseus - operating in the semi-admin mode
Syamsu has replied to the above quoted - Time to close this topic per reasons listed above.
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