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jar
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Message 106 of 237 (448473)
01-13-2008 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Buzsaw
01-13-2008 6:37 PM


Re: Buzsaw's has NO Supportive Data
2. For the umpteenth time, I haven't attacked Obama as being a Muslim. My position has been that I don't know but have questions. I have shown where he was regarded as a Muslim as a youth and registered in schools as a Muslim, etc. I have raised the question as to whether he may be a secret Muslim masquerading as a Christian in order to infiltrate the US Government and undermine the war on terror, support of Israel etc.
That is called innuendo and smear.
I have shown as well how closely he has chosen to be closely associated with a radical black racist Christian church who's pastor espouses racist black power and antisemitic agendas and who has connections with racist Nation of Islam's leaders.
That is an absolute falsehood.
Keep on posting smear, innuendo and falsehoods.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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obvious Child
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Message 107 of 237 (448477)
01-13-2008 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Buzsaw
01-13-2008 6:37 PM


Re: Buzsaw's Supportive Data
quote:
1. I understand Islam and the Quran enough to know that the fundamentals of the translations are basically correct. They have been translated by professional linguists who know Arabic. It's up to you to prove otherwise with the specifics of how the original has a different message than the translations which I have cited.
Which leads us back to the question:
Do you read Arabic?
And basically correct is still an perversion of the holy book.
quote:
2. For the umpteenth time, I haven't attacked Obama as being a Muslim. My position has been that I don't know but have questions. I have shown where he was regarded as a Muslim as a youth and registered in schools as a Muslim, etc. I have raised the question as to whether he may be a secret Muslim masquerading as a Christian in order to infiltrate the US Government and undermine the war on terror, support of Israel etc.
There is a book, called the DSM I think it's in its fourth print. I suggest you read it.
What you have shown is that he went to an Muslim school for a few years and played with his friends in an Mosque. Under that logic, everyone who has spent time in a Christian school and played in a Church run after school care program is an Christian. I see you did not respond to this criticism in my previous post. I think I know why.
quote:
I have shown as well how closely he has chosen to be closely associated with a radical black racist Christian church who's pastor espouses racist black power and antisemitic agendas and who has connections with racist Nation of Islam's leaders.
No you haven't. You showed that he in his early life he admired these people. Under your logic, you are automatically a follower of whoever you admired in your past and are barred from changing your attitudes, ideas and beliefs when you grow up. Furthermore, you just showed he's a politician willing to use the race card to get votes.
Try again Buz, you have failed.
Which leads me back to my question,
Did Obama utter the key phrase?
can you provide me with information that he did or that he did not?

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Buzsaw
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Message 108 of 237 (448481)
01-13-2008 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by macaroniandcheese
01-13-2008 1:04 PM


bren writes:
oh, so just because you cited this, you're not responsible for this claim? how convenient. take responsibility for your innuendo.
It's not my claim perse. I said take it for what it's worth. It may be factual and maybe not. My thinking is that logically it likely has some credibility but I'm not able to verify. Go for it if you can debunk it.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 109 of 237 (448511)
01-13-2008 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Buzsaw
01-13-2008 7:01 PM


you cited it. prove it, oh quoter of innuendo.

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Modulous
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Message 110 of 237 (448527)
01-13-2008 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Buzsaw
01-13-2008 7:01 PM


It's not my claim perse. I said take it for what it's worth.
It's probably worth exactly what you think a claim made in a magazine headed by someone who was once a Marxist is worth. He claims he isn't one now, but how can we be sure he isn't infiltrating the neocons? After all - he has strong ties with the Communist Party to this day. What if the article is intended to impurify our precious bodily fluids?
What possible motivation could a campaign advisor for one of the Republican candidates have for smearing the lines of reality in a way that doesn't look too good for Obama in certain people's eyes?
"I worry very much, from the Jewish point of view, that the presence, and increased stature, and affluence, and enfranchisement of American Muslims, because they are so much led by an Islamist leadership, that this will present true dangers to American Jews." -- Daniel Pipes, impartial commentator.
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obvious Child
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Message 111 of 237 (449088)
01-16-2008 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Buzsaw
01-13-2008 7:01 PM


quote:
but I'm not able to verify. Go for it if you can debunk it.
We have. Furthermore the logic on which it resides has serious problems that I've already explained and you've chosen to ignore. The idea that if 'once then always' is stupid.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 112 of 237 (450277)
01-21-2008 1:22 PM


new article in re Obama is NOT a Muslim
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"I've been to the same church _ the same Christian church _ for almost 20 years," Obama said, stressing the word Christian and drawing cheers from the faithful in reply. "I was sworn in with my hand on the family Bible. Whenever I'm in the United States Senate, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. So if you get some silly e-mail ... send it back to whoever sent it and tell them this is all crazy. Educate."
...
There are some truths in the e-mail's details. Obama's middle name is Hussein. His father and stepfather were Muslim. And he spent part of his childhood in Indonesia, a largely Muslim country. But he attended secular and Catholic schools, not a radical madrassa.
...
It explains how as a young man Obama "felt a beckoning of the spirit and accepted Jesus Christ into his life."

  
Chiroptera
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Message 113 of 237 (459364)
03-06-2008 11:10 AM


Does any like This Modern World?
Boy, this reminded me of a conversation we've had here:

...Onward to Victory is the last great illusion the Republican Party has left to sell in this country, even to its own followers. They can't sell fiscal responsibility, they can't sell "values," they can't sell competence, they can't sell small government, they can't even sell the economy. -- Matt Taibbi

  
Buzsaw
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Message 114 of 237 (460349)
03-14-2008 11:25 AM


ABC's Tapes On Obama's Church
This is one of he last exchanges about Obama's church between Jar and me before this thread went archived. It appears that now no less than ABC has finally thoroughly documented what was all over the internet months ago. I was pretty much alone on this with about everyone denying it.
jar writes:
Buzsaw writes:
I have shown as well how closely he has chosen to be closely associated with a radical black racist Christian church who's pastor espouses racist black power and antisemitic agendas and who has connections with racist Nation of Islam's leaders.
That is an absolute falsehood.
Keep on posting smear, innuendo and falsehoods.
Go here and click "investigative" along the top of the page then click on the video picture to the left under (abe: "Ross Reports") to hear the entire account.
Edited by Buzsaw, : Add link to ABC video.
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

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Granny Magda
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Message 115 of 237 (460352)
03-14-2008 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by Buzsaw
03-14-2008 11:25 AM


Re: ABC's Tapes On Obama's Church
Hi Buz,
All I got was a message saying "You have chosen a page that does not exist.".

Mutate and Survive

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molbiogirl
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Message 116 of 237 (460359)
03-14-2008 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Granny Magda
03-14-2008 11:52 AM


Re: ABC's Tapes On Obama's Church
I think this is the appropriate link.
Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11 - ABC News
Here's what the pastor said:
"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."
Bitching about how black folks are treated in this country is a far cry from from being "a black radical racist".
And this:
"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.
"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.
Huh. That sounds familiar. Where have I heard that before?
Here's what Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson said about 9/11:
JERRY FALWELL: And I agree totally with you that the Lord has protected us so wonderfully these 225 years. And since 1812, this is the first time that we've been attacked on our soil and by far the worst results. And I fear, as Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense, said yesterday, that this is only the beginning. And with biological warfare available to these monsters -- the Husseins, the Bin Ladens, the Arafats -- what we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact -- if, in fact -- God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.
PAT ROBERTSON: Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population.
JERRY FALWELL: The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this.
PAT ROBERTSON: Well yes.
JERRY FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."
PAT ROBERTSON: Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government. And so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do. And, the top people, of course, is the court system..
JERRY FALWELL: Pat, did you notice yesterday the ACLU and all the Christ-haters, People For the American Way, NOW, etc. were totally disregarded by the Democrats and the Republicans in both houses of Congress as they went out on the steps and called out on to God in prayer and sang "God Bless America" and said "let the ACLU be hanged". In other words, when the nation is on its knees, the only normal and natural and spiritual thing to do is what we ought to be doing all the time - calling upon God. ~~~
PAT ROBERTSON: Amen
Here's Robertson again:
ROBERTSON: You know, it's just amazing, though, that people say the litmus test for [Supreme Court nominee John G.] Roberts [Jr.] is whether or not he supports the wholesale slaughter of unborn children. We have killed over 40 million unborn babies in America. I was reading, yesterday, a book that was very interesting about what God has to say in the Old Testament about those who shed innocent blood. And he used the term that those who do this, "the land will vomit you out." That -- you look at your -- you look at the book of Leviticus and see what it says there. And this author of this said, "well 'vomit out' means you are not able to defend yourself." But have we found we are unable somehow to defend ourselves against some of the attacks that are coming against us, either by terrorists or now by natural disaster? Could they be connected in some way? And he goes down the list of the things that God says will cause a nation to lose its possession, and to be vomited out. And the amazing thing is, a judge has now got to say, "I will support the wholesale slaughter of innocent children" in order to get confirmed to the bench. And I am sure Judge Roberts is not going to say any such thing. But nevertheless, that's the litmus test that's being put on, the very thing that could endanger our nation. And it's very interesting. Read the bible, read Leviticus, see what it says there.

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Granny Magda
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Message 117 of 237 (460377)
03-14-2008 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by molbiogirl
03-14-2008 12:46 PM


Re: ABC's Tapes On Obama's Church
Firstly, many thanks for the link, Molbiogirl.
So let's take a look at what Buz said;
Buzsaw writes:
I have shown as well how closely he has chosen to be closely associated with a radical black racist Christian church who's pastor espouses racist black power and antisemitic agendas and who has connections with racist Nation of Islam's leaders.
All bolding is mine of course.
Now if anyone can see anything like the bolded statements in the article Buz cites, I would love to get a helping hand spotting it, as I can't see it myself. Where is the racism? Which bit is anti-Semitic? Where does he call for black power? Is there even any mention of the Nation of Islam?
Of course, it could be that I can't see it because it's not there, and Buz is just clutching at straws. It all sounds like smear, innuendo and falsehoods to me.

Mutate and Survive

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Buzsaw
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Message 118 of 237 (460388)
03-14-2008 4:20 PM


Mobiogirl and Granny:
1. No presidential candidate sat and listened to Pat and Jerry implicate blacks 23 years for ruining the nation, ending bloody WWII with what it took to do it (saving lives in the long run) or calling for damnation on America.
2. No presidential candidate likely donated tens of thousands to Jerry or Pat's ministry, were married and baptized by them or took their children regularly to hear them.
3. During WWII the Biblical morality principles were more entrenched in America than after the hippy era. When 9/11 happened, Biblical morality was at an all time low up to that point. Pat and Jerry could cite Biblical scripture pertaining to warnings by the Biblical god to nations that departed from moral principles in scripture.
4. Jerry and Pat's warnings were across the board racially. They were not incessantly, year in and year out fomenting racial hatred toward Jews or any other race as were Jeremiah Wright's.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Granny Magda
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Message 119 of 237 (460398)
03-14-2008 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Buzsaw
03-14-2008 4:20 PM


Obama and the Rev. Wright
Buz,
1. No presidential candidate sat and listened to Pat and Jerry implicate blacks 23 years for ruining the nation, ending bloody WWII with what it took to do it (saving lives in the long run) or calling for damnation on America.
I must have been dozing off when Wright specified that whites were to blame for Hiroshima and Nagasaki (I thought he used the word "we"; maybe I was dreaming), or where he actually accused whites of ruining the nation. Funny that.
Besides, just because Obama has listens to Wright, it does not mean he agrees with him on every single issue, still less that he would follow any of Wright's advice. I doubt that every member of your congregation slavishly believes every word you say; I certainly hope not.
Anyway, you were going to demonstrate that Wright was a "radical black racist" and that he is "antisemetic" and that he "espouses racist black power" and that he "has connections with racist Nation of Islam's leaders". You have ignored my request to show me the bit of your cited article that backs up any of these assertions. I assume that the reason for this is because you know full well that your cite demonstrates nothing of the sort.
2. No presidential candidate likely donated tens of thousands to Jerry or Pat's ministry, were married and baptized by them or took their children regularly to hear them.
You need to demonstrate that there is something wrong with the pastor before it follows that there is something wrong with supporting him. You have ignored my invitation to back up your slurs. The worst your article has on Wright is that he said "damn America". Oh horror! Obama sits and listens to someone exercising his right of free speech! How awful! This is pretty tame stuff compared to your accusations.
3. During WWII the Biblical morality principles were more entrenched in America than after the hippy era. When 9/11 happened, Biblical morality was at an all time low up to that point. Pat and Jerry could cite Biblical scripture pertaining to warnings by the Biblical god to nations that departed from moral principles in scripture.
Pat and Jerry could cite scripture that predicted any damn thing they liked, as they share(d) your bent for twisting the Bible into whatever suits the current agenda.
One of the few genuinely controversial things that Wright says in the article is that America is partly to blame for 9/11, an argument that is far from unusual. You seem to be implying that America is entirely to blame, due to its sinful ways inviting divine hissy-fits. So, you and Pat and Jerry appear to outdo Wright in this arena, as Molbiogirl points out.
4. Jerry and Pat's warnings were across the board racially. They were not incessantly, year in and year out fomenting racial hatred toward Jews or any other race as were Jeremiah Wright's.
Again, I must have developed hysterical blindness when I read the anti-Semetic bits, as I didn't see any. Again, I invite you to point them out to me. Until then, this seems like more smear tactic bullshit.

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molbiogirl
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Message 120 of 237 (460413)
03-14-2008 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Buzsaw
03-14-2008 4:20 PM


Thank you, GM, for that lovely takedown.
I'd just like to add this:
Television evangelist Pat Robertson suggested Thursday that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine retribution for the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, which Robertson opposed.
"He was dividing God's land, and I would say, 'Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the [European Union], the United Nations or the United States of America,'" Robertson told viewers of his long-running television show, "The 700 Club."
"God says, 'This land belongs to me, and you'd better leave it alone,'" he said.
Error
Stereotyping is among the most common form of anti-Semitism. This is evidenced by the words of many well-known Christian leaders, among them the Rev. Bailey Smith. "I don't know why God chose the Jew," Smith said. "They have such funny noses."2
Outward appearance, though, is not the only way some leaders characterize Jews. The Rev. Dan C. Fore, former head of the Moral Majority in New York, said, "I love the Jewish people deeply. God has given them talents He has not given others. They are His chosen people. Jews have a God-given ability to make money...They control the media, they control this city."3
"A few of you don't like the Jews and I know why," said the Rev. Jerry Falwell. "He [sic] can make more money accidently than you can make on purpose."4
2 The Sunday Record (Hackensack, NJ), June 21, 1981.
3 The New York Times, February 5, 1981.
4 The Washington Star, July 3, 1980.
A second form of anti-Semitism involves missionary activity directed at Jews. Many conservative Christian leaders hold the view that Judaism is an invalid religion, that Jews who don't believe in Jesus are "unsaved" or "incomplete." The offensiveness of this type of anti-Semitism should be obvious, but often goes unnoticed.
"It's interesting at great political rallies," preached the Rev. Bailey Smith, "how you have a Protestant to pray, a Catholic to pray, and then you have a Jew to pray. With all due respect to those dear people, my friends, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew. For how in the world can God hear the prayer of a man who says that Jesus Christ is not the true Messiah? That is blasphemy."5
The Rev. Jerry Falwell sanctioned this viewpoint in his book, Listen, America! "The Jews are returning to their land of unbelief. They are spiritually blind and desperately in need of their Messiah and Savior. Yet they are God's people, and in the world today Bible-believing Christians are the best friends the nation Israel has."6
Pat Robertson, too, thinks of Jews as "spiritually deaf" and "spiritually blind." In the end times, Robertson believes, Jews will be brought in as "offerings to the Lord."7 He predicts mass conversions of Jews to Christianity, and toward this end, Robertson built a Christian radio station in Lebanon to beam the Gospel into the Jewish state, which Fundamentalists believe will eventually be inherited by Christians. For the present, Jews occupy the land as caretakers.
5 The New York Times, April 22, 1981.
6 Jerry Falwell, Listen America! (Sword of the Lord Publishing, c.1980), p.113.
The rising star of the Christian Identity movement is Pastor Pete Peters of the LaPorte (Colorado) Church of Christ. Peters distributes The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion and is the author of the booklets The Real Hate Group and Death Penalty for Homosexuals Is Prescribed in the Bible. Peters ” along with Ted Pike (producer of an anti-Semitic video called "The Other Israel"), other Christian Identity ministers, and the Rev. Donald Wildmon ” is a popular personality on LogoPlex.
Peters' The Real Hate Group depicts Jews as controlling television, the film industry, and the news media. It describes the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as "the most dangerous hate group in America." Like the Bottom Feeder joke book published by Life Dynamics, The Real Hate Group characterizes Jews as having large noses.
Peters is significant because he has crossed the line between Christian Identity and more mainstream conservative Christian groups. Besides broadcasting nationally on short-wave radio, he can be seen on the fast-growing Keystone Inspiration Network, of Red Lion, Pennsylvania. This cable TV network is picked up in about 120 cities. Described as a "family" network, it carries Pat Robertson's "700 Club," Jerry Falwell's "Old Time Gospel Hour," Morris Cerullo, James Robison, Benny Hinn, and other popular evangelical Christian programming.
http://www.sullivan-county.com/id3/right_jews.htm
In his published writings, especially his 1991 book The New World Order, Pat Robertson has propagated theories about a worldwide Jewish conspiracy. Michael Land raised the issue in February in the New York Times Book Review, and in April Jacob Heilbrun, writing in the New York Review of Books, cited chapter and verse of Robertson's borrowings from well-known anti-Semitic works.[14]
14. Ephraim Radner, New world order, old world anti-Semitism ” Pat Robertson of the Christian Coalition, Christian Century, September 13, 1995. Accessed 11 December 2006.
Robertson's tome The New World Order was described as a 'catch all for conspiracy theories' by Christian academic Don Wilkey:
Pat Robertson’s work, NEW WORLD ORDER, is a catch all for conspiracy theories. It combines the paranoia of the Old Right with modern versions. A summary of Robertson’s book is found on page 177 in which Pat says a conspiracy has existed in the world working through Freemasonry and a secret Order of the Illuminati, a group combining Masons and Jewish Bankers.[13]
13. Don Wilkey, book review of New World Order, "A Christian Looks At the Religious Right". Accessed 11 December 2006.
Pat Robertson - Wikipedia
Michael Land raised the issue in February in the New York Times Book Review, and in April Jacob Heilbrun, writing in the New York Review of Books, cited chapter and verse of Robertson's borrowings from well-known anti-Semitic works.
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Buz writes:
... Pat and Jerry (do not) implicate blacks 23 years for ruining the nation, ending bloody WWII with what it took to do it (saving lives in the long run) or calling for damnation on America.
Nope. Just the Jews! And they don't just ruin the U.S. -- they ruin the whole world!
With funding from Jewish financiers, the Illuminati/Masons caused the French Revolution. As Robertson describes it:
The slaughter that followed was not merely an assault on the king and the aristocracy - what was called the ancien regime - it was an assault against everyone, even the leaders of the Reign of Terror that followed on the heels of the revolution. The satanic carnage that the Illuminati brought to France was the clear predecessor of the bloodbaths and successive party purges visited on the Soviet Union by the communists under both Lenin and Stalin.
Then the Illuminati/Masons - with Jewish money, of course - incited the European revolutions of 1848.
Marx and Engels, though, were given direction by another Jew, who happened also to be one of the early advocates of a Jewish state: "The precise connecting link between the German Illuminati and the beginning of world communism was furnished by a German radical named Moses Hess" (p. 69). (Note Robertson's use here, as in his descriptions of other Jews later, of the adjective "German" rather than "Jewish." This does not necessarily mean much, since the adjective "German" or "European" frequently refers to Jews in the American literature of anti-Semitism.) Just as the Rothschilds presided over the marriage of Illuminism and Freemasonry, so Moses Hess, the secret Illuminist, is the true father of world communism. This is the first mention in Robertson's book of that longstanding anti-Semitic myth, the Judeo-Bolshevik conspiracy. It is not the last.
The money barons of Europe, who had established privately owned central banks like the Bank of England, found in war the excuse to make large loans to sovereign nations from money that they created out of nothing to be repaid by taxes from the people of the borrowing nations. The object of the lenders was to stimulate government deficit spending and subsequent borrowing. War served that purpose nicely, but from 1945 to 1990 the full mobilization for the Cold War and the resultant massive national borrowings accompanied the result just as well without a full-scale shooting war. [p. 122, emphasis added]
Yes, according to Robertson, even the Cold War was part of the Big Jewish Plot.
The Blue Voice
Those sumbitches. Pavin' the way for Lucifer like that.
Edited by molbiogirl, : No reason given.

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