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Author Topic:   I read both Christ and the Antichrist in my KJ Bible. Do you?
Greatest I am
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Message 1 of 57 (449099)
01-16-2008 4:33 PM


I read both Christ and the Antichrist in my KJ Bible. Do you?
There are too many scripture on love hope, faith and other positive issues for me to bother having you read a bunch of quotes.
There are as many scripture that ring more as coming from an Antichrist.
I will only bother with the one not from lack of availability but for brevity.
Deut21-18
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. 21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
I don’t want to particularly debate this example and hope that most will recognize why I believe that only an Antichrist would come up with such a philosophy.
I believe that there was an attempt by those who compiled the various books of the Bible to insert the essence of the tree of knowledge of good and evil within it’s pages so that the debate and search for God would be stimulated by the dissemination of scripture.
I think that their consensus was that there was a God but that His philosophy was not yet fully written and that it would some day be revised.
To read the Bible literally seems silly in light of the fact that it is only a fraction of the books that were considered and indeed only a fraction of the books now known to exist.
So, is there a Christ and an Antichrist speaking out of the Bible, or is God as cruel as some say He is because of scriptures like the above?
Regards
DL.

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Message 4 of 57 (449262)
01-17-2008 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by macaroniandcheese
01-17-2008 10:43 AM


Did my Franglais shine through.
Simply said, is the passage quoted from Christ or from an Antichrist.
Regards
DL

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Message 6 of 57 (449277)
01-17-2008 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by macaroniandcheese
01-17-2008 12:58 PM


Not to trip me up but as the OP states, to further discussion and debate of the reality of God Himself and the teaching of placing various ideas on the bell curve of good and evil.
The quote used I place far on the evil side and attribute it to the Antichrist.
Perhaps a better analogy would be that the Bible contains the tree of good and evil. We are to read various scripture and place them on one of the branches. Either the good branch or the evil branch.
I have to wonder why else the compilers or writers would have placed such idiotic scripture within the Bible.
Regards
DL

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Message 14 of 57 (449425)
01-17-2008 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by macaroniandcheese
01-17-2008 2:13 PM


I cannot agree that belief in religious maters do not create change.
Think of The impact of Islam or of the death caused by the Vatican at different time and under different names like inquisition.
Regards
DL

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Message 15 of 57 (449428)
01-17-2008 9:54 PM
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01-17-2008 2:29 PM


I agree but they may have got it wrong for the right reasons. Discussion and debate for a god that they were still trying to dither.
Were you agreeing that the quot i used was more from an Antichrist?
Regards
DL

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Message 16 of 57 (449431)
01-17-2008 9:56 PM
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01-17-2008 2:33 PM


To Christians, Christ is God. The Bible is thought to be inspired by Him.
Regards
DL

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Message 18 of 57 (449433)
01-17-2008 10:00 PM
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01-17-2008 2:38 PM


Not quite.
Christ and His ideas are thought of generally as good.
The Antichrist as the name implies is supposed to be full of evil ideas.
Your right though about many Bibles having the same dualism. I think I mentioned that somewhere.
Regards
DL

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Message 19 of 57 (449435)
01-17-2008 10:04 PM
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01-17-2008 2:47 PM


Re: Re-Idiotic scripture
Would you stone your unruly son?
Would you help stone an unruly brother or sister?
Would you expect other father to?
Just a question.
Regards
DL

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Message 20 of 57 (449438)
01-17-2008 10:09 PM
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01-17-2008 8:01 PM


Re: Biblical Antichrist
Can I take it from your reply that you have no problem believing in talking snakes and have no problem with the quote I used?
It is from God and not from an evil writer?
I did not use the word fundamentalist.
Regards
DL

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Message 21 of 57 (449442)
01-17-2008 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by macaroniandcheese
01-17-2008 9:59 PM


"you choose the words you follow. but people do that anyways while thinking it's a message from god, so it doesn't really change anything."
The believed messages from God have a great impact. Your remark i took as saying that these beliefs had no impact and did not as you said change anything.
If I misread, please ignore my comment.
regards
DL

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Message 27 of 57 (449523)
01-18-2008 9:07 AM
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01-17-2008 10:19 PM


Your still ignoring my question on the quote I used. Do you think it something you would endorse?
Regards
DL

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Message 28 of 57 (449525)
01-18-2008 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by macaroniandcheese
01-17-2008 10:38 PM


True. God is found in mant places.
Regards
DL

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Message 29 of 57 (449526)
01-18-2008 9:13 AM
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01-17-2008 10:34 PM


Re: Re-Idiotic scripture
You believe in the talking snake don't you?
Regards
DL

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Message 30 of 57 (449528)
01-18-2008 9:16 AM
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01-17-2008 11:55 PM


Re: Biblical Antichrist
So God's commandment, to not kill should read except for unruly children.
Regards
DL

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Message 32 of 57 (449537)
01-18-2008 10:11 AM
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Re: Re-Idiotic scripture
Just my way of kissing you off.
Regards
DL

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