Why Would a Loving God Create Hell?

R.You got the memo, you just tossed it without reading it. Like with
the flat earthers, the evidence is subtle enough to ignore, if you try hard enough.S.

Dear ShyAngel,Don't think I'm tricking you. Following your reasoning, your God prefer people not aware of his spell rather than unsatisfied potential members.
It's ambiguous. I could believe that it's not a quite good idea to test his speech.Denesha

Im bringing back this older topic because it has some good points. Personally, I dont believe that IF Hell exists it was created for bad people. Hell was, IMHO created for the freewill of the rebellious spirits.People obviously have freewill to some extent, yet only a moron would actually choose to avoid God.

This 'moron' has been to hell and still avoids god. He didn't save me then, so I deduct he doesn't exist. No point in putting faith in anyone other than myself.

Guess that would make me a Moron too. Thanks for the kind words Phat

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Why would a god that created you and loves you send you into eternal fire just for not believing in him? Why is god so threatened by my disbelief that he would force me to experience eternal pain and suffering without any chance of redemption? Only a vindictive and tyrannical god would do such things.

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This question has been asked millions of times and will be asked millions more. It is a proper question; it is a proper accusatory question, and even when the origin of eternal hellfire is accurately exposed, there are still those who deny it and insist that God will stoop to eternal torture. Chapter Fourteen
A quick tour through the Norse and Germanic mythologies of the goddess Hel and her domain Hell should be a wake up call to any person whose mind is still functioning. The Encyclopedia Britannica tells us of "Hel":"Hel or Hela, in Scandinavian mythology, goddess of the dead, a child of Loki and the giantess Angurboga, dwelt beneath the roots of the sacred ash, Yggdrasil (q.v.), and ruled the nine worlds of Helheim. In early myth all the dead went to her: in later legend only those who died of old age or sickness; she then became synonymous with suffering and horror." It is common knowledge to anyone who has studied church history even just a little bit, that the Roman Catholic church made it a practice to absorb the pagan traditions of the nations which it tried to covert. She, the Roman Catholic church, by the power she claimed, just Christianized them. From this practice, we Christians have inherited all the superstitions of the world. Under the word "Hell" they incorporated the mythologies of the Romans, Greeks, Babylonians, Egyptians, Teutons, Druids, and only God knows what else.This work cannot go into the thousands of pagan words, myths, rituals, artifacts, originating in pagan religions which have been brought into the Christian religion. Reading Hislop's Two Babylons, published by Loizeaux Brothers, or Babylonian Mystery Religion by Ralph Woodrow would be two good places to begin. For those of the Protestant persuasion who think they are immuned to the influence of Romanism, think again, the entire Protestant Sunday morning church ritual, including the structure of the building and its interior furniture, will not be found among the early believers in Jesus Christ.Also, please google your own, not-Christian source for information on this subject.

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Why would a god that created you and loves you send you into eternal fire just for not believing in him? Why is god so threatened by my disbelief that he would force me to experience eternal pain and suffering without any chance of redemption? Only a vindictive and tyrannical god would do such things.
So, what about freewill? Christian?s say that god gave us freewill to believe and do whatever we want. Yet if we don't follow the exact path god set for us we go to hell. How is this freewill? If anything it is the opposite of freewill. So unless god is very confused I don?t see how he can be both loving and caring and still allow for hell to exist.
Or am I missing something here?

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You are missing Act II in this Epic we call life. You are assuming Act I (Eternal Love - God) is true and since we are in Act III (Humans on the stage)I have a stong suspicion you think you exist. But you are missing Act II which is the entrance of evil. Why does every story that we love have a villainn? It's hard to think of a story without one. Every story has a villain because yours does, though most people don't live like it. All the stories we've been telling about the presence of an evil power in the world, all the dark characters that have sent chills down our spines and given us restless nights; they are spoken to us as warnings.There is evil cast around us.War. Famine. Betrayal. Murder. Surely you know there is an evil force in this world. I probably don't need to delineate the evil I've seen in Baghdad in the present, not to mention unspeakable horrors of the past. What is evil? Where did it come from? What is its motive? How are we to find refuge from its claws?Evil is the answer to your question.

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We never seem to acknowledge that we have been wrong in the past, and so might be wrong in the future. Instead, each generation writes off earlier errors as the result of bad thinking by less able minds-and then confidently embarks on fresh errors of its own. --Michael Crichton

but Evil comes from God, so you haven't actually answered his question.

"Evil" isn't an anthropomorphised "thing" or "other", just as "good" is not either. Neither has a "motive" as if it was an independent entity."Evil" and "good" are simply labels we put on certain behaviors and attitudes, and what we consider "evil" and "good" changes over time.To think of them as coming from anywhere but ourselves is to simultaneously refuse to take credit for the good we do and to pretend we aren't fully responsible for the evil we do.

Of course the Bible says that God creates Evil.

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Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Tal Hell life has many stories without a villain in it but if all you expose yourself to is that aspect of human endevour then I suppose that is the end of it. Damn shame though.

Hi Phat, Hell does exist and was created for the devil and his angels.Anyone else entering is an intruder. I am going to take the last part first.Moron - Wikipedia(psychology) I have no idea in what way you are using the word moron but if you are using it in its original form. It seemed to mean someone that was not developed mentally well.In that case would they know to choose to get close to God or avoid God.First Part:Phat man has total freewill let me explain.Jesus Christ came and willingly went to the cross to die for mankinds sin.The first man in the Garden disobeyed God and because of this sin the death sentence was passed upon him and all mankind to follow.
Before man sinned God walked and talked with him.
After man sinned God expelled man from His presence.
Because of this man's separation from God all mankind was separated from God.
Sold into slavery to the Devil by the first man.
God is a God of Justice and therefore this sin had to be paid for.The reason Jesus came was to buy back mankind out of slavery.Jesus willingly went to the cross.
But He did not want to go because He prayed 3 times in the garden if mankind could be saved any other way that God let the cup pass from Him.
His final prayer He said "nevertheless thy will be done."
At any time while on the cross He could have stepped of but didn't.
When God the Father turned His back on His Son and they were separated for 3 hours to pay for my sin debt and the debt of all mankind.
Then He cried "it is finished"
At that moment God the Father was satisfied for the sin debt of mankind.
While on the cross Jesus said concerning those that had caused and was carrying out His death sentence "Father forgive them for they know not what they do.Because of this sacrifice God offers everyone a full pardon.Pardon - Wikipedia The pardon is offered because Jesus paid the price for the receipent.
You cannot do anything to deserve or pay for this pardon.You can only do one thing. Accept it or Reject it. That is the extent of your freewill.You can choose not to believe in God if you want to.
You can choose to believe you have to do a lot of things to obtain this pardon.
You can choose to believe the whole thing is a myth.It makes no difference what you choose to believe the fact remains that you and mankind have been offered a full pardon no strings attached. All you have to do is accept it.So a loving God created hell as a punishment place for the devil and his angels.
Mankind is the property of the devil as he was sold into slavery by the first man when he disobeyed God and ate the fruit.
Jesus paid the price so mankind could be redemed.Mankind just has to make a choice.That is freewill.Be not deceived, That loving God that is talked about will carry out the sentence if anyone will not receive the pardon they will spend eternity in the lake of fire prepared for the devil and his angels.Prayerfully,
If anyone would like scripture reference to back up what I say I would be glad to provide them. I just know most on here don't believe the Bible anyway so why bother.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

You are quite right in that we are responsible for our own actions. I never stated otherwise. If an enemy patrol probes my line in combat I am responsible for everything my squad does or fails to do. As a soldier in a war I have to make decisions based on what the enemy does. We call those TTPs (tactics, techniques, and procedures).The same is true in life. How you respond to evil, personified as an independent entity or not, is all up to you. Nevertheless the bible teaches that there is an enemy and that enemy has an influence on people. A couple of months ago we caught some AQI in the act of an EJK (Extra-Judicial Killing). They had taken some guy out of his house, killed him by pouring acid on his head, and then proceeded to rape the dead body in the middle of the road even though the guys head was now a smoldering skull with a bit of facial hair.I'm going to wager that this has been, is, and will forever be considered evil.

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We never seem to acknowledge that we have been wrong in the past, and so might be wrong in the future. Instead, each generation writes off earlier errors as the result of bad thinking by less able minds-and then confidently embarks on fresh errors of its own. --Michael Crichton

Tal, was that less-than-charming anecdote really necessary? Believe it or not, the rest of us don't require your gory war stories in order to understand the meaning of the word "evil". Unfortunately, most people are all too familiar with evil, and even if most of us never see it at quite that level, we all know how nasty people can get. There's no need to resort to shock tactics.

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Mutate and Survive

And yet Hollywood keeps making films which are more and more graphic and explicit.
Video Game manufacturers do likewise.There is something oddly attractive about such graphic stories.Its as if we want to look away yet keep glancing back and absorbing the possibility that deep within our souls, we are as twisted as the monsters we see.