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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Mod,
Hope you guys having good weather over there. Thanks for the input but we weren't just talking about primates.
Thus, evolution of primates is just variation within the primate family. We were talking about from the single cell life form to Lucy. I had to come to the conclusion that according to evolution as has been discussed here that, that cell and everything between it and me are my ancestors. And I can not find this definition anywhere else. Therefore I cannot believe in this type of evolution. I can believe in the one that RAZD has put forth in his definition of Micro-effects and Macro-efects. Have fun, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
We were talking about from the single cell life form to Lucy. I had to come to the conclusion that according to evolution as has been discussed here that, that cell and everything between it and me are my ancestors. And I can not find this definition anywhere else. Therefore I cannot believe in this type of evolution. What does that have to do with the topic? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Ned,
Utterly wrong of course. You may think this because you know little about the scientific facts. Then I suppose Chen was a liar or did not know what he was talking about when he said:quote:Message 123 Take your argument up with him I am just going by what I can find on the subject. Now if he is a unreliable source and you can present evidence to that then please do so and I will stop quoting him. Until then, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi jar,
Maybe I am too tired from trying to keep up answering to all those that are giving me attention or asking me questions or something but I could not find any of Chen's findings in the article you pointed too.
A short history of the search for PreCambrian fossils You did read the article you referenced did you not jar. If you did you would know that no research is referenced after 1965. Chen made his statements in 1998 some 33 years later. But maybe that does not make any difference. And I get accused of not debating in good faith. Have fun, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Then I suppose Chen was a liar or did not know what he was talking about when he said: It is not Chen that is the liar, and that is not a quote from Chen, and that has been pointed out to you several times in this thread. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You did read the article you referenced did you not jar. If you did you would know that no research is referenced after 1965. Chen made his statements in 1998 some 33 years later. The point is that the newspaper article you quoted is obviously taking things out of content. It's not too unusual for writers to either make mistakes or misrepresent what the actual science is. The point, my friend, is that even 30 years before the news article we were beginning to find the very precursors Chen is talking about. Since then we have found many more including the main thing that Chen was concerned about, examples of bilateral life forms. For example, in 2004 Chen, the very person mentioned in your news article published his discovery of small bilateral fossils from 40 to 55 Million before the Cambrian. Note that, just the very things the article said were needed have been found. That is how science works. There is no problem. Now do you ever plan to post something related to the topic? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Percy Member Posts: 22508 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
This is easier to explain if we have the full exchange between you and Ned:
ICANT writes: NosyNed writes: ICANT writes: When all scientific facts point to sudden apperances of life forms. Utterly wrong of course. You may think this because you know little about the scientific facts. Then I suppose Chen was a liar or did not know what he was talking about when he said:
quote:Message 123 So you thought that Chen believes the new body plans of the Cambrian appeared suddenly, and Ned was trying to tell you you're wrong. And you are wrong. Chen is not advocating a sudden appearance of new body plans, and your article clearly says he isn't further on:
Boston Globe Article writes: And, because his years of examining rocks from before the Cambrian period has not turned up viable ancestors for the Cambrian animal groups, he concludes that their evolution must have happened quickly, within a mere two or three million years. Two or three million years is not sudden, though it is certainly a much shorter period than the more widely accepted view of around 20 million years. Your Globe article appeared in May of 2000, and it doesn't appear that Chen's ideas have found much acceptance in the time since then. --Percy
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Ringo,
ICANT writes:
You want to believe it can be done and it doesn't make any difference what anyone says you are going to believe it can be done.Ringo writes: Not at all. I couldn't care less whether evolution is true or false, any more than I could care less whether it's possible to walk from British Columbia to Newfoundland. I don't "want to believe" anything. You could have fooled me spending as much time as you have trying to convince me as you have.
Ringo writes:
I thought I agreed to this in my journey of Nator from her home to california. All I'm asking (still) is for any kind of evidence that a walk to the corner store can't be extended to a walk across the country. But upon further review I have come to the conclusion that there is evidence that it is impossible. For some. I have a friend that can walk to the corner store with little problem. But if he were to take off on a cross country journey he would die in the trying. You see he has artificial hips and he has to walk with two arm crutches that go up to and around his arm just below the armpit. it also goes around his arm just below his elbow. Now maybe I am wrong and he could make it you decide.
Ringo writes: All I'm asking is for any kind of evidence that the difference between you and your father can't be extended to the difference between you and Lucy. This is what you actually asked for:
Ringo writes: Message 117 I think I've been pretty clear throughout the thread. Big changes are from single-cell to Lucy or from Lucy to you. Specifically, what barrier prevents that? Would you care to back up the above statement with evidence? I suppose not just a song and dance.
Ringo writes: If you can produce such evidence, I'll be only too glad to accept it. You did not ask for evidence.I gave you my reasons. [msg143] I can't help it if you will not accept them. ICANT writes: Prove it and I will believe it. Ringo writes: You're the one who claims such an obstacle exists. The onus is on you to show that it does. My statement was concerning the evolutionary steps between the single cell life form and Lucy. You are the one who keeps demanding that I name a barrier why Lucy can't be my ancestor. Which I have not and will not. Because then it would be up to me to prove what the barrier was that is why I gave you my reasons. I do have a barrier but you don't believe the Bible so that one is out. Since you have taken the affirmitave side that it did happen the onus is not on me but on you to prove that it happened. Just as soon as you do that I will prove to you that it is impossible for Lucy to be my ancestor. Until then another aspect of the debate. Have fun, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Actually, as I pointed out in Message 156 and others, Chen's opinion has changed as additional data has been found.
jar writes: For example, in 2004 Chen, the very person mentioned in your news article published his discovery of small bilateral fossils from 40 to 55 Million before the Cambrian. So even Chen is quoted as showing that the precursors to what we see in the Cambrian goes back at least 40 million years before the Cambrian. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Percy,
I think Chen said something about sudden. Have fun. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Percy,
Thanks for clearing that up for me. But one more question if my son had been born with a stub arm just below the elbow that would be a transition? Have fun, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Ringo,
I think I've been pretty clear throughout the thread. Big changes are from single-cell to Lucy or from Lucy to you. Specifically, what barrier prevents that? I have an old saying for this one Hell will freeze over before you get me in that trap. Or you will prove those great changes from the single cell life form to Lucy. Whichever comes first. Have fun, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi jar,
Now do you ever plan to post something related to the topic? Lets see theory is what many believe happened and is taught.Observation is what is actual fact. Chen said something different than what is being taught.And by the way the article you pointed too in 2004 was just confirmation of his find in 1998. Because they were the same type of animals. Do you think he changed his mind? Have fun, By the way if I say something meaningful you won't have anyone to pick on. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Beautiful 54 million year old picture of something. See "something" Enjoy. (is anyone on topic these days?) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Can you show a scientific theory taught as fact?
Chen is one of the folk that have shown that the precursors of what we see in the Cambrian arose over 40-55 MILLION years. That is NOT a sudden appearance so you can stop making that claim. Chen is NOT saying something different than is being taught. Now do you have anything related to the topic? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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