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IamJoseph
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Message 76 of 82 (444363)
12-29-2007 1:57 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Raphael
12-28-2007 4:52 PM


Re: Bird man!
The bible does not say Gd is love; the NT says that. The OT lists 13 attributes, given by God, and this cannot be limited by one attribute. Its proof is that those who posit only the abstract and generic term of love, have displayed its reverse.
However, with images, this is a wholly human trait; it is not marked that those who worship via images are bad guys - its only how they act which determines this. This is why love per se cannot fix humanity's problems, and the reason 613 laws were poured unto humanity at Sinai. Prior to this time, all nations, including the hebrews, worshipped images. Abram was the son of an image producer for the king of Ur. IOW, a good image worshipper is better than a bad non-image worshipper. We are judged by what we do - not what we believe.

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Raphael
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Message 77 of 82 (444498)
12-29-2007 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by IamJoseph
12-29-2007 1:57 AM


Re: Bird man!
IamJoseph Says:
The bible does not say Gd is love; the NT says that. The OT lists 13 attributes, given by God, and this cannot be limited by one attribute. Its proof is that those who posit only the abstract and generic term of love, have displayed its reverse.
I never said God was limited by one attribute. I said that as an example of emotion being reflected in God as well as man.
This is why love per se cannot fix humanity's problems, and the reason 613 laws were poured unto humanity at Sinai
Never did i say that love alone could fix humanity's problems, although i could make an argument that it could, that is off topic. I only used love as a representation of an emotion that God feels that we also feel. Thats it.
Abram was the son of an image producer for the king of Ur. IOW, a good image worshipper is better than a bad non-image worshipper. We are judged by what we do - not what we believe.
I dont see how this is significant to the discussion. Are you saying that our actions is what makes us "the image of God"?

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IamJoseph
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Message 78 of 82 (445070)
01-01-2008 2:11 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Raphael
12-29-2007 5:07 PM


Re: Bird man!
quote:
I never said God was limited by one attribute. I said that as an example of emotion being reflected in God as well as man.
I understand the intent of this premise is good, however it is not correct. The only antidote for bad/evil is the law, and love constitutes one factor of the law.
If you examine the 10 Commandments, two factors precede love: HONESTY [3rd C]; then 'RESPECT' [5th C]. These are precedent foundations for love: what kind of love in the absence of honesty and respect? This is also the reason the 5th does not say, LOVE THY PARENTS - which is biological and involuntary; instead the far more demanding 'HONOUR THEY PARENTS' is commanded. This means one must respect parents, the aged and the wise - even when a doscordance appears.
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Are you saying that our actions is what makes us "the image of God"?
No, because we have no control how we are created. But I am saying that to be Godly, one has to follow the laws of God. The aspect of love is most seen in the OT laws; it is not a new discovery from anyone else. I have not seen 'LOVE THE STRANGER' any place but the OT, and the real test of this concept. Loving one's own, or one's neighbour is not the same - this has self interest attached to it. Nor have I seen a more powerful command concerning love than here:
'YOU SHALL LOVE THY GOD WITH ALL THY HEART [emotions], AND ALL THY MIGHT [deeds] AND ALL THY SOUL [spiritually]' [OT]
IOW, it is more than just a word.

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Raphael
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Message 79 of 82 (446881)
01-07-2008 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by IamJoseph
01-01-2008 2:11 AM


Re: Bird man!
I get the feeling we're saying perty much the same thing, i agree.

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jaywill
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Message 80 of 82 (449884)
01-19-2008 3:51 PM


The Law Given to Expose Sin
Because man does not know himself after the fall, God was forced to insert the law of God . That means something that was not originally intended was added afterwards.
God had to add the law in order to expose man and let man see his true fallen condition. Fallen man needed a true picture of himself. And the law of God was given to help man ascertain the true nature of his fallen sinful condition.
Today some people who have cancer are told to drink a certain kind of liquid which shows up under that X-Ray machine. This liquid helps to highlight the cancer that is growing inside of the cancer patient. This is somewhat of an anology of one aspect of the law of God. It is good and holy and spiritual. Yet it has a negative function as well. That is to expose the desease of sin eating away at the fallen mankind.
Man fell into rebellion against God and thinks that it is only a minor problem. In essence God says "You think that this is only a little problem that you can correct with not much difficulty? Here, this is My law. Keep this law."
The utter failure of man to keep the law of God exposes the true condition of the fallen mankind.
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johnsmith
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Message 81 of 82 (477306)
08-01-2008 2:51 AM


Erm, i think you are confused you are trying to illustrate what is not actually god is the only superpower and we just human beings stand nowhere so do not think for what can we so create like god
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jaywill
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Message 82 of 82 (477328)
08-01-2008 8:12 AM
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08-01-2008 2:51 AM


Erm, i think you are confused you are trying to illustrate what is not actually god is the only superpower and we just human beings stand nowhere so do not think for what can we so create like god
Johnsmith,
I had a hard time understanding your thought here. Maybe if you break the sentence up into two or more sentences I could follow you better.
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