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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 1 of 12 (445952)
01-04-2008 2:52 PM


this one actually has stuff outside the range of the US norms.
it's really exciting to see how far we've come.
http://www.neo-libertarian.com/polquiz.html
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17
-15
republican libertarian planner
Republican - This includes a large bulk of modern-day American politicians, whether Republican or Democratic. This includes values of basic racial equality but not necessarily affirmative action. It's a strong rejection of racism and a strong embrace of democracy, but not into the social levelling or hyper-secularism of the democrat level.
Libertarian - Many people in the US Libertarian Party are minor heretics or simply adhere to certain social controls while remaining otherwise nearly anarchical. These people, in addition to a number of especially independent Democrats and Republicans, fit into the libertarian category. They do not seek the philosophical uber-consistency of the anarchists, but they propose most or nearly all of the same ideas and policies. Someone in the ACLU or the Republican Liberty Caucus would likely fall here.
Planner - Few Democrats fit here, but FDR is probably the most aggressive move in this direction, followed by LBJ. They believe that the market is useful for many areas, but overall it is too chaotic, irrational or unfair, and it takes the keen eye of the state or bureaucracy to correct market imperfections. They support nationalization of industries, guaranteed employment for all, massive welfare entitlements, and massive public works. They associate economic success with high employment, high production, and massive government involvement; the super-rich are usually allowed to still exist normally, but less so in business or managerial capacities. Ultimately, the market is either short-sighted or unfair, and some outside force must step in to correct it.

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ringo
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Message 2 of 12 (446001)
01-04-2008 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by macaroniandcheese
01-04-2008 2:52 PM


>30
4
-23
democratic planner
quote:
Democrat - This includes some left and center-left Western parties. The French Communists and Socialists or in the US the Progressive Caucus or left wing of the Democrats would likely fit in this label. The French policy of laicite, dating back to the French Revolution, is the perfect embodiment of the democrat rating. Laicite is very secular, even to the point of being anti-clerical, and is the reason God is a taboo subject in the realm of politics, and why religious items are banned from student wardrobes in schools. The democrats of this scale go beyond legal equality and use the force of government and law to secure social equality - through affirmative action, quotas, hiring reforms, special ethnic apportionments in legislatures, and other policies aimed to correct even indrect discrimination. The rating 'democrat' is NOT the same thing as a US Democratic party member.
Planner - Few Democrats fit here, but FDR is probably the most aggressive move in this direction, followed by LBJ. They believe that the market is useful for many areas, but overall it is too chaotic, irrational or unfair, and it takes the keen eye of the state or bureaucracy to correct market imperfections. They support nationalization of industries, guaranteed employment for all, massive welfare entitlements, and massive public works. They associate economic success with high employment, high production, and massive government involvement; the super-rich are usually allowed to still exist normally, but less so in business or managerial capacities. Ultimately, the market is either short-sighted or unfair, and some outside force must step in to correct it.

“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 3 of 12 (446006)
01-04-2008 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by ringo
01-04-2008 4:22 PM


what happened to your third thing? you gave us the number but not the stuff.

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jar
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Message 4 of 12 (446008)
01-04-2008 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by ringo
01-04-2008 4:22 PM


republican socialist-leaning libertarian
See, told you I was a Republican.

Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

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ringo
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Message 5 of 12 (446012)
01-04-2008 4:43 PM
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01-04-2008 4:36 PM


brennakimi writes:
what happened to your third thing? you gave us the number but not the stuff.
"democratic planner" was all they told me. Punch in my numbers and see for yourself.

“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 6 of 12 (446017)
01-04-2008 4:51 PM
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01-04-2008 4:43 PM


how odd.

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subbie
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Message 7 of 12 (446018)
01-04-2008 4:52 PM


republican capitalist-leaning anarchist
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>30
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Republican - This includes a large bulk of modern-day American politicians, whether Republican or Democratic. This includes values of basic racial equality but not necessarily affirmative action. It's a strong rejection of racism and a strong embrace of democracy, but not into the social levelling or hyper-secularism of the democrat level.
(Fairly accurate)
Capitalist-Leaning - Many Republicans and some Democrats fall here, and support balanced budgets, tax reform, free trade agreements, estate tax repeal, and spend more time talking about the problems of small business than raising the minimum wage. They like to push middle class tax cuts and associate economic success with production, wealth, and especially with high rates of consumerism and ownership.
(Rather misleading, I don't agree with much of this)
Anarchist - While perhaps not supporting the total elimination and privatization of the state and police, an anarchist supports individual rights in virtually all conflicts between communities and individuals. Many in the US Libertarian Party ascribe to this belief, but many anarchists also find their way into fringe groups or simply abstentionism. A good rule of thumb for the anarchist level is that the only relations or acts that can be prohibited are those that initiate force and fraud - a view first famously summarized by Mill then enshrined into the non-aggression or zero aggression principle.
(Fairly accurate, but the label bothers me)

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

  
Hyroglyphx
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Message 8 of 12 (446086)
01-04-2008 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by macaroniandcheese
01-04-2008 2:52 PM


Republican free-marketer
quote:
This includes a large bulk of modern-day American politicians, whether Republican or Democratic. This includes values of basic racial equality but not necessarily affirmative action. It's a strong rejection of racism and a strong embrace of democracy, but not into the social leveling or hyper-secularism of the democrat level.
Accepting that the market is the fairest and most effective device for setting wages and prices, those in this category support freer trade, deregulation, privatization, market reforms, tax cuts and economic liberalization. This category includes Reagan and most Republicans, tax cutters, free traders, and those seeking to shrink government and encourage commerce and business. They associate economic success with much less government interference, low inflation, easy access to trade and business creation, and wealth creation.

“First dentistry was painless, then bicycles were chainless, and carriages were horseless, and many laws enforceless. Next cookery was fireless, telegraphy was wireless, cigars were nicotineless, and coffee caffeineless. Soon oranges were seedless, the putting green was weedless, the college boy was hatless, the proper diet -- fatless. New motor roads are dustless, the latest steel is rustless, our tennis courts are sodless, our new religion -- Godless” -Arthur Guiterman

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Taz
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Message 9 of 12 (446159)
01-04-2008 11:24 PM


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republican liberal-leaning planner
Republican - This includes a large bulk of modern-day American politicians, whether Republican or Democratic. This includes values of basic racial equality but not necessarily affirmative action. It's a strong rejection of racism and a strong embrace of democracy, but not into the social levelling or hyper-secularism of the democrat level.
Liberal-Leaning - Those moving in the direction of individual autonomy, critical of government, opposed to sin taxes and moral codes fall in this area. A majority of Americans fall here or in the moderate section.
Planner - Few Democrats fit here, but FDR is probably the most aggressive move in this direction, followed by LBJ. They believe that the market is useful for many areas, but overall it is too chaotic, irrational or unfair, and it takes the keen eye of the state or bureaucracy to correct market imperfections. They support nationalization of industries, guaranteed employment for all, massive welfare entitlements, and massive public works. They associate economic success with high employment, high production, and massive government involvement; the super-rich are usually allowed to still exist normally, but less so in business or managerial capacities. Ultimately, the market is either short-sighted or unfair, and some outside force must step in to correct it.
WTF??

  
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Message 10 of 12 (446177)
01-05-2008 1:40 AM


radical-leaning capitalist-leaning libertarian
Radical-Leaning - Those American politicians not in the republican category are probably in this section. It is moving in the same direction as the republican group, embraces democracy and rejects racism, but perhaps these people strongly support the death penalty or stand opposed to gay marriage. In American terms, these are more conservative people, but on this scale - which includes a wider range of global and historical politics - they are clustered under radical-leaning.
Capitalist-Leaning - Many Republicans and some Democrats fall here, and support balanced budgets, tax reform, free trade agreements, estate tax repeal, and spend more time talking about the problems of small business than raising the minimum wage. They like to push middle class tax cuts and associate economic success with production, wealth, and especially with high rates of consumerism and ownership.
Libertarian - Many people in the US Libertarian Party are minor heretics or simply adhere to certain social controls while remaining otherwise nearly anarchical. These people, in addition to a number of especially independent Democrats and Republicans, fit into the libertarian category. They do not seek the philosophical uber-consistency of the anarchists, but they propose most or nearly all of the same ideas and policies. Someone in the ACLU or the Republican Liberty Caucus would likely fall here.

  
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Message 11 of 12 (446205)
01-05-2008 6:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by macaroniandcheese
01-04-2008 2:52 PM


Radical-Conservative 25
Liberal-Populist 15
Capitalist-Socialist -11
liberal-leaning socialist-leaning republican
Liberal-Leaning - Those moving in the direction of individual autonomy, critical of government, opposed to sin taxes and moral codes fall in this area. A majority of Americans fall here or in the moderate section.
Socialist-Leaning - Most Democrats and a few Republicans fall here. They are skeptical of corporate scandals, think that balanced budgets are a good reason to raise taxes, and want a more progressive taxation system. They view the estate tax and capital gains tax as necessary balancing devices against the power of the wealthy. They are skeptical or even adamantly opposed to free trade, and consider the IMF, WTO and World Bank to be closed, dangerous, undemocratic and serving the wealthy. They associate economic success with more government spending, low unemployment, and a trade surplus.
Republican - This includes a large bulk of modern-day American politicians, whether Republican or Democratic. This includes values of basic racial equality but not necessarily affirmative action. It's a strong rejection of racism and a strong embrace of democracy, but not into the social levelling or hyper-secularism of the democrat level.

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anglagard
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Message 12 of 12 (446214)
01-05-2008 8:39 AM


Chomsky Rules!
>30
>30
-7
democratic socialist-leaning anarchist
Not too far of the mark as I am a for real Anarcho-Syndicalist Libertarian.
Democrat - This includes some left and center-left Western parties. The French Communists and Socialists or in the US the Progressive Caucus or left wing of the Democrats would likely fit in this label. The French policy of laicite, dating back to the French Revolution, is the perfect embodiment of the democrat rating. Laicite is very secular, even to the point of being anti-clerical, and is the reason God is a taboo subject in the realm of politics, and why religious items are banned from student wardrobes in schools. The democrats of this scale go beyond legal equality and use the force of government and law to secure social equality - through affirmative action, quotas, hiring reforms, special ethnic apportionments in legislatures, and other policies aimed to correct even indrect discrimination. The rating 'democrat' is NOT the same thing as a US Democratic party member.
Socialist-Leaning - Most Democrats and a few Republicans fall here. They are skeptical of corporate scandals, think that balanced budgets are a good reason to raise taxes, and want a more progressive taxation system. They view the estate tax and capital gains tax as necessary balancing devices against the power of the wealthy. They are skeptical or even adamantly opposed to free trade, and consider the IMF, WTO and World Bank to be closed, dangerous, undemocratic and serving the wealthy. They associate economic success with more government spending, low unemployment, and a trade surplus.
Anarchist - While perhaps not supporting the total elimination and privatization of the state and police, an anarchist supports individual rights in virtually all conflicts between communities and individuals. Many in the US Libertarian Party ascribe to this belief, but many anarchists also find their way into fringe groups or simply abstentionism. A good rule of thumb for the anarchist level is that the only relations or acts that can be prohibited are those that initiate force and fraud - a view first famously summarized by Mill then enshrined into the non-aggression or zero aggression principle.
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Edited by anglagard, : comment

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

  
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