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Author Topic:   God's judgement and Determinism
Arachide
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Message 89 of 106 (443342)
12-24-2007 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by ringo
12-24-2007 3:40 PM


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Your determinism idea will only work if you assume that God analyzes every machine cycle on a nano-second-by-nanosecond basis and if you assume that all bugs go to the "darkest pits of hell".
Besides, these two things are exactly those that are not necessary in a deterministic system. The only conditions are the laws and the initial state of the universe.
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Arachide
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Message 93 of 106 (443383)
12-24-2007 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by iano
12-24-2007 4:32 PM


iano writes:
The Agnostic writes:
The argument I'd like to make: A fair and just God cannot judge humans based on their behaviour, because all human behaviour is determined by causality, which is outside of our control. I'll elaborate on the question why this is so.
I'd agree with you. So long as the premise you pose above (and elaborate upon further) is true. There is no way to demonstrate the premise true however.
Phew, that's what i've been trying to explain Ringo. Aside the issue IF we live in a deterministic system that would make sense indeed.
Can you explain why you think there is no way to demonstrate (genetic) determinism?
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Arachide
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Message 96 of 106 (443477)
12-25-2007 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by ringo
12-25-2007 9:01 AM


These are the basics of a proposition. I can make it more complex if you want, but i doubt if that will work if you can't even agree the basics.
if "A" = true THEN "B" = false
Where "A" is the theory of determinism and "B" is the biblical concept of being judged by god.
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You're using one interpretation of scripture (bad guys go to hell)
What's wrong with using one interpretation of scripture? It can be used in a proposition to prove that interpretation either true or false.
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I was hoping this thread would be more than just schoolboys doing their Logic 101 exercises.
If it's not logic you use to understand things, i'm highly interested in what else.

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Arachide
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Message 99 of 106 (443674)
12-26-2007 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by ringo
12-26-2007 12:18 AM


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you haven't demonstrated that 'A' = true
That's called an assumption.
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or that 'A' and 'B' are mutually exclusive.
I think it is demonstrated, but well...let's call that a difference of opinion or a difference of interpretation. I think comes down on the last one.

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