God's judgement and Determinism

There's one who understands!So what do you think about this philosophy in relation to the idea of people being judged by God or Allah?

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In theory yes. But practically no.

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If you agree with it in theory, what does that make you think about "God's Judgement" of people? Doesn't it sound a bit unfair?

We're not claiming that determinism frees you from a subjective sense of responsibility. When I see people starving, I'll go over and share my food with them.
However, whether or not you will behave responsibly, THAT is predetermined.Therefore, God's judgement cannot be based on our behaviour, since we don't have any real control over it. There is only a subjective, personal sense of morality. Based on this subjective morality, we call people like Hitler "bad" and people like Gandhi "good". Based on this subjective morality, we convict murderers and child molesters and we praise our wartime heroes.However, this sense of morality cannot be used for God's judgement, because of the problem of determinism.I wouldn't accept the "physics wouldn't let me" defense in court, but I would accept it on Judgement Day.

Me and Arachide are two different people, but we're acquaintances in real life. Even the sucjective sense of responsibility is a consequence of the deterministic world. There is no real difference, but a perceived difference in our experience.

If God wrote the program Himself, and punishes people in it for malfunctioning, He isn't exactly being ethical. God knew it was going to happen. The people cannot help being born into what you call God's program.God creates the snake and then says to Himself: Boy, this thing is sin!Edited by The Agnostic, : Clarity

That's exactly what an omniscient God does. And the Bible explicitly states in Revelations that the sinners will be thrown into a fiery pit.Both assumptions are perfectly reasonable and backed up by scripture.

That's the whole point!

It's not the omniscience, it's the determinism that makes Him unfair. That's kind of what the whole thread has been about until now. The conflict between moral judgement and determinism.

I think we clearly demonstrated the fact that we don't control our actions, because we are subject to determinism.Also, the fact that sending people to hell for something they cannot control is immoral. Though, immorality is hard to prove scientifically, I think we can just assume that to be a fact of common knowledge.

Free will, in my opinion, is when your actions are not a result of any physical cause and effect chains, but of your own decisions.However, since all our decisions are made in the brain, and the brain is a physical entity much like any other, our will cannot truly by free.A free will would require a non-physical consciousness that is not bound by the laws of physics. However, no evidence of such a non-physical consciousness exists.You can even falsify it by drinking a glass of alcohol. The chemical composition of the alcohol will influence your brain function and as a result, your thoughts and behaviour change. Clearly, the physical world determines consciousness, not the other way around. Brain damage will have a similar effect.If I mispelled Revelation by adding an s, that's probably because the Dutch version of the Bible has that word in plural form (Openbaringen).

I'm guessing that's a mock reply, although I agree that the opinion voiced in the above post was formed by deterministic processes.Edited by The Agnostic, : No reason given.