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Author Topic:   Where have all the Creationists gone? Come back, we want to fight some more!!
PaulK
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Message 31 of 36 (43916)
06-24-2003 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by 6days
06-24-2003 10:12 AM


Re: Life on Earth Despite a Singularity?
Can you give me one page - other than one written by a creationist or a crank - that requires LIFE to have emerged from a singularity ?
You do understand that our universe existed for a long time before any life we know of ?
I hope that you merely wrote too quickly and that what you wrote was not what you meant.

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Autocatalysis
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Message 32 of 36 (43918)
06-24-2003 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Rrhain
05-08-2003 5:30 AM


Re: Creationist Void?
It seems that the ability of an organism to evolve is, itself, an evolved trait.
Interesting, I have come across this phenomena in my research, it’s one of the problems emerging with resistance in insect pests.

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Rrhain
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Message 33 of 36 (43927)
06-24-2003 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by 6days
06-24-2003 10:39 AM


Re: Creationist Void?
6days responds to me:
quote:
They seem to be comprehensive on the surface. However, can you please give us some references that prove that life began in a primordial sea? a petrie dish?
You're going to have to give me a definition of "life," first.
We have been able to create self-replicating, auto-catalysing, homochiral molecules in the lab. If that isn't life, it's pretty damned close.
But if you mean something like what we would see as a modern cell, then no, I can't because we don't have any experiments that have managed to get that far.
But here's the thing: It doesn't matter. You're confusing evolution with abiogenesis. Evolution doesn't care how life started. It is compatible with every form of genesis out there. Life could have started chemically through abiogenesis, supernaturally through god zap-poofing it into existence, extraterrestrially through panspermia or alien seeding, interdimensionally through a rift in space-time, or any other method I haven't mentioned. So long as that life did not reproduce itself perfectly from generation to generation, then evolution is satisfied.
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When evolutionists produce anima from inanima then perhaps I'll take your evolutionary hypothesis more serious.
Why? Are you saying god can't use evolution?
Who are you to tell god what can and cannot be done by god?
Again, evolution is not the same as abiogenesis. The Catholic Church seems to think that god got life started but it evolved after that. Surely you're not saying that the Pope is an atheist, are you?
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Even Hawking said that it was impossible for life to begin from the inanimate and he seems to be your current guru.
Stephen Hawking is a cosmologist. Why would anybody look to him for an opinion regarding biology? You don't go to a tax attorney for advice on lowering your cholesterol, even though your tax attorney is a very smart person.
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Rrhain
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Adminnemooseus
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Message 34 of 36 (44041)
06-24-2003 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Adminnemooseus
05-08-2003 2:01 AM


Re: Topic should be closed?
Quoting myself, from about a month and a half ago:
quote:
This topic seems to have been started as a general sort of creationist bashing topic, which probably belongs in the "Free For All" forum. The real question, however, is does this topic really have a purpose for existing?
There are also messages of greater substance, that seem to belong in topics elsewhere.
My impression remains the same. This topic seems to be a dumping ground, for messages of various quality, on an uncertain topic theme.
Does someone want to declare a theme? Or should this topic be closed?
Adminnemooseus

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John
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Message 35 of 36 (44130)
06-25-2003 10:17 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by 6days
06-24-2003 10:39 AM


Re: Creationist Void?
quote:
Even Hawking said that it was impossible for life to begin from the inanimate and he seems to be your current guru.
Where did Hawking make this statement?
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IrishRockhound
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Message 36 of 36 (44141)
06-25-2003 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by 6days
06-24-2003 10:39 AM


Re: Creationist Void?
Ah, 6days has finally returned. Welcome back!
I'm afraid the topic "If evolution is not the answer then what is" got closed because you never replied to the last posts, and it was getting off topic anyway.
I'd be happy to restart it so that you can discuss your views - but this time I have to insist you stick to the subject.
The Rock Hound

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