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Author Topic:   How to debate the "Evolution Should NOT be taught in public schools" perspective?
Am5n 
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Message 51 of 68 (440926)
12-15-2007 12:20 PM


Well if they want to teach evolution they can, but I will never agree that teachers have the right to mock Christianity in a school classroom, wither it be only 1 Christian student in the classroom. Their job is to teach biology not Darwinism/Humanism or even what the teachers own belief supports!
I am a Christian. if these teachers ever do this to my(future)offspring, I will indeed beat them until they apologize for their own ignorance! I believe God holds the man/father accountable for what his family do,say,and believe. Therefor since I believe this, I hope many of you understand why I would be angry with those teachers.
I believe it is my responsibility as when I start a family, God will hold me accountable, because if I fail and do not be responsible, God will indeed strike his wrath on me, but not my family, for they look to me for guidance. So I disagree that this should be a requirement for a student to actually graduate from a public school.
There is a separation of Church and State, therefor I also believe if the state tampers/messes with a childes belief(exp:Christianity)and is also treading on dangerous territory, because the state will be teaching someones child what the State/non-parent believes. I simply do not care if its up to the child to choose what he/she believes, The man/father is held responsible and accountable for His family. I am not sexist, but I do believe that women will not be held responsible, nor accountable for their family as much as a man will be. I read in the Bible, that man is the provider and caretaker of his family(provide guidance & the responsibility of caring for them). I'm sorry, but I will not fail to provide and care for my family, therefor SUFFER GOD'S WRATH, just because a man/woman wants to share their beliefs(Atheism/Humanism/Darwinism/Paganism/Evolution)with someone else that isn't your child or apart of your family. I WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE & I WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR MY FAMILY! AMEN!
sincerely yours, Amen.

2 "Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge? Brace yourself like a man; I will question you and you shall answer me." JOB 38:23

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Am5n 
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Message 59 of 68 (440959)
12-15-2007 4:40 PM


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Well if they want to teach evolution they can, but I will never agree that teachers have the right to mock Christianity in a school classroom
thats what I mean, I really don't care if they teach evolution, but what the hell gives them the right to mock and laugh at someones belief? I would probably expect this from people out in public, not a public school where a teacher that teaches evolution decides to tell jokes and mock a students belief, just teach the class and don't mock a students belief.
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If they show how creationism is wrong, is that "mocking" Christianity?
by throwing jokes around?... yep 3 yrs i was taking biology and the teacher mocked Christianity(my belief) and threw jokes around(to me they were insulting). so guess what happen? I called my attorney he set up a meeting with the Principal, which my father attended as well as myself. I told the Principal what happen, then my attorney said,"tell your staff to just do his job or you might want to think about firing him, cause if this happens again, theres going to be a problem, wanna goto court?". The main idea of me saying this is, because obviously it seems some teachers wanna do more then just teach their students, which in this case the teacher got fired. why? He did it a 2nd time!
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but when a religion teaches "truths" that are clearly factually wrong, then the religion is pretty much self-mocking.
You can believe whatever you want to believe, but where is Christianity shown in biology text books? NO WHERE! so therefor its not apart of biology and the teachers shouldn't be saying anything about Christianity! because it has nothing to do with subject she/he is teaching. The students keep their belief out of public schools because of the separation between church and state, but it doesn't give teachers the right to slander,joke,or mock Christianity when it clearly has nothing to do with the subject she/he is teaching!
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Teaching that evolution is a fact and that the TOE is the best explanation, no, the only explanation to date is not mocking Christianity.
I don't mind them teaching evolution, but they shouldn't slander,joke,or mock a religion when its most definitely has nothing to do with that their teaching. "if its not in the text book" it should not be taught".
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Well, it looks like your God is a sexist bigot as well as one that promotes ignorance over knowledge. It also appears your God too moves straight to violence. Likely your God never learned how to reason either.
My God? I didn't even put God in it. I said what I believe. oh I'm sorry if I don't consider women = to men(but thats off topic and so is your insult) Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't evolutionist do experiments on animals(this experiment also killed some of the animals) in the early 1900's? yea jar a lot of people complained about what they called "Animal Cruelty".
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So put your kids in one of the many Christian Cult of Ignorance Avoidance schools
I shouldn't have to. This country was founded by God fearing people, not evolutionist. a lot of Christians died during times of war, they've prayed before battle, they've killed and died for this country. What has evolution done, besides denying and making fun of our God? huh? what has it done? The Christians have done more to & for this country, this land of freedom, then evolution ever will.
Evolution:
no truth, no honesty, no knowledge, no ethics, no morals or no critical thinking, just question everything you see hear and believe.

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Message 61 of 68 (440963)
12-15-2007 4:51 PM
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12-15-2007 4:19 PM


ya but what you seem to not understand is that, if a biology teacher is not teaching the class properly and if a student is offended because the teacher decides to do jokes and mock about Christianity, well then I hope
they had their laugh, because that kinda crap could and would get them fired. it's biology class, not "hey i wanna tell jokes and mock a religion and see if i can offend somebody" kinda class.

2 "Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge? Brace yourself like a man; I will question you and you shall answer me." JOB 38:23

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Message 62 of 68 (440968)
12-15-2007 4:57 PM


yes, thank you nosy, I would like to make a new thread for it. what do you suggest should be moved to the new thread?

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Message 67 of 68 (441242)
12-16-2007 9:14 PM


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I was wondering that, too, but reading his subsequent posts, I think that Amen is saying that a biology teacher was actually mocking Christians.
I was using my own faith for example, but yes Chiro, I believe its mainly mocking Christians. It's not just Christians though, there are other religions and beliefs that do worship the same God. It seems to me that when I was in Biology, we had a discussion about abortion...... yes thats right. I have acouple of questions.
1. are biology teachers crossing the line, when mocking creationism (also believers in God) in a class room? I seriously believe these teachers are doing a lot more then just teaching, but more along the line of promoting it! it looks like a biology teacher is not only teaching so these kids can learn but what to believe. If your saying bad things about something(exp:religion) that student is going to want what you(evolutionist) offer. In the eyes of some parents thats called tampering with the childs Diciplinary ruotine. Evolution supports no God! God hates abortion, it is a sin, it is murder, and it is bad, therefor why would a public school teacher talk about abortion and say they are for it, but the parents are against it. Do you think paganism and atheism is reaching into public schools threw evolutionist? well dont paganism and atheism have something in common with evolution? yes they are against the same thing, There is no God, there is no spiritual forces, there is no heaven, there is no hell, and everything in the bible is a lie! The public school is to teach math,science,enlgish,critical thinking ect.... AND THERE SHOULD NOT BE TEACHERS BRINGING WHAT THEY BELIEVE AND TALKING OR MOCKING OTHER INDIVIDUALS BELIEFS! THESE KIDS DONT DO THAT IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS IF THEY DO THAT JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW IMMATURE THAT TEACHER REALLY IS! a classroom subject should be like a forum topic. the person who made the topic should stay on tobic, not go off it!

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