The Barbarity of Christianity (as compared to Islam)

Like The Bible and other related holy books, the Qur’an contains both warlike and peaceful & tolerant passages. It provides enough scope and material for followers either to “race to do good” (5:48) and “disperse in the land and seek out God’s bounty” (62:10), or alternatively to “spread corruption all over the land” (47:22).

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You live up to your (misspelled) name! Surah 33, in fact, describes an instance of war between opposing forces ” it does not call upon people to carry out such deeds!

As a little pointer, let me refer you to the Europol website, particularly this study (PDF format, in English). It demonstrates that in 2006 498 ”terrorist attacks’ took place across 11 EU (European Union) countries. ETA (Basque separatist group) committed a whopping 136 of them, and killed 2 people in Madrid. Interestingly, for me, Islamic terrorist groups carried out one whole attack, and this with no fatalities.“The report proves the genuine magnitude of Islamic terrorism in Europe” ” Kristoffer Larsson.Incidentally, none of the other 497 (non-Islamic) attacks killed anyone, thankfully!

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The purpose of any War is to kill and destroy the enemy. During the process, innocent people get killed too. This is inevitable. If we did not have 911, we did not have to be in Iraq. Why did we have 911?
We were attacked 10 times during 1990's. what did we do? Nothing except that the President sent missiles and killed 2000 innocent civilians in Bosnia which was unnecessary, but was important to the President who had to distract the news from Monica Lewinsky. We could have prevented 911. But, we did not. Since 911, we have never been attacked. Why? we are dealing with our enemy who wants to destroy the western civilization whether we like it or not.Reason #2: Why do we need wars? For our economy. How? In 1991, our economy was shattered. The Quwait war boosted our economy. How is it connected? We do not have the gold standard anymore. because of this, Dollar is sustaining only by the GNP which is determined by what we make and what we export. We had a huge market for food. We also helped the 3rd world countries to become self sufficient. So, we do not have as big amarket as we had before regarding food.We develop all the technologies. But, we cannot and we will not protect our invention s. Why? God only knows. Well, it is our own stupidity. Stupidity is very very expensive. We allowed the chinese , indians and japanese to steal our technologies.Since 1992, our government removed any restriction in selling supercomputers to China as well as hiring Scientists from China, India and others.As a result,foreign nationals from India and China are working in very sensitive laboratories.. Last year, one Indian Nuclear Engineer stole the sesitive technology for the Stealth Aircraft and sold it to China for $2million. Our military hardware is still the best in the world. We sell it even to our enemies to sustain our economy. What happens if no one buys our military hardware? It hurts our economy. This is when we need a war to sustain our economy. How? All industries whether major or minor are connected with the defence. Defence contracts and subcontracts. In a war, hard ware is used. They have to be remanufactured. During this process all industries get aboost. This stimulates our economy. If we had the gold standard, then we do not need any war. I PERSONALLY HATE ALL WARS. WHEN A WAR IS IMPOSED ON US(911) THEN WE HAD TO FIGHT AND WIN, NOT RUN AWAY AS COWARDS.So, we must stay in Iraq for many years for our own security as well as good economy.

Actually, the purpose of any war is to meet the social/political/economic goals of those who engage in the war. Enemies and civilians will be killed and destroyed if that will help meet these goals. If the political situation changes so that either killing and destroying will not meet those goals (or even be counter-productive to those goals), or if the goals themselves change, then the parties waging war will disengage.- Because they are seen by some as the most efficient means (or perhaps the only means) to meet the political goals that they advocate.To quote Clauswitz, "War is the continuation of politics by other means."

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I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

i think you need to educate youself on what happened before and after those missiles in bosnia. the truth is that there was a serious air campaign in KOSOVO as a result of actions by serbs there which mirrored the actions by the serbs in the war in bosnia between 1992-1995. the administration and nato forces determined that they would not permit further repeated genocide. 8,000 people were killed in the srebrenica massacre (the legally defined bosnian genocide). this number does not include the numbers of women who were raped or the men who suffered in concentration camps. there were thousands of other deaths during this conflict including over 3,500 children. this site lists 200,000 muslim civilian deaths.if clinton had not attacked serbian positions, this would have been repeated in kosovo.if you think saving 200,000 lives is unnecessary, i think you should reconsider your priorities. what does iraq have to do with 9/11?Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

When I was in the Peace Corps, I served in a country that was about half Christian and half Muslim. Everyone pretty much got along, and I didn't notice any signs of any sort of religious-based tensions.So, just based on my experience, Islam isn't fundamentally a violent religion. I guess it can be for some, but not for the folks among whom I lived.In fact, I knew of one Muslim that kept his tea shop open during the day during Ramadan for the Christians -- he told me that closing it would be imposing his religion on others, and that would be un-Islamic.

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I've done everything the Bible says, even the stuff that contradicts the other stuff! -- Ned Flanders

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Originally posted by Chiroptera:
I knew of one Muslim that kept his tea shop open during the day during Ramadan for the Christians -- he told me that closing it would be imposing his religion on others, and that would be un-Islamic.

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What fantastic logic! I really like this attitude

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The problem with the way some radical Christians interpret the Qur'aan and Islaamic religious text is the same exact problem the deviant sects( like The Khawarij, Takfeeeri's and Qutubi's) among Muslims have, they go to the text with a pre-conceived notion and agenda already set in stone and comb through the text picking out phrases that they can quote out of any context of the rest of the chapter, the whole of the book, the Arabic language and the historical context so they can say look! I have found the smoking gun that proves what I already believed before I even started to look for the evidence, the major problem with this style of hermeneutics or lack of hermeneutics is that in the process of searching for the perfect passage or word that can be interpreted to fit their desires they passover many many many passages that contradict their pre-conceived notion.The reality is before many of these arm chair, Google search, amazon,com Islaamic Scholars who don't know any Arabic let alone the smallest fundamental principles of Islaam( as opposed to actual Islaamic Scholars who spend 2 years studying Arabic grammar and memorizing the Qur'aan before they are even allowed to study Usool Ad Deen the basic fundamentals of the Religion for 4 or more years before they are then allowed to study such intricate Islaamic sciences as Tafsir i.e Qur'aanic commentary and interpretation) begin to pass Islaaimc legal rulings they should review their own book first off the 10 commandments that tells them to not bear false witness and is it not false witness for someone to put themselves forward to talk about things they have zero knowledge of as if what they are saying is truth just because they “feel” it's truth? And then they can move on to Galatians chapter 5 and review the fruits of the flesh which include slandering and backbiting which these who do can not enter into the kingdom of Heaven

No surprise there. That's the same way that these radical Christians go about reading their own sacred texts.

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Progress in human affairs has come mainly through the bold readiness of human beings not to confine themselves to seeking piecemeal improvements in the way things are done, but to present fundamental challenges in the name of reason to the current way of doing things and to the avowed or hidden assumptions on which it rests. -- E. H. Carr

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It is a good time to start winding down and presenting summaries, conclusions, or final comments.

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Thanks for debating, carry on.

I was raised a evangelical Christian but now I am a Muslim, so I know the psychology behind this slandering and attacking of Islaam and its people. If your born in the West from birth you are constantly being shown negative images about Islaam, Muslim and any MiddleEsterners in general, from bugs bunny cartoon's, to ahab the arab, to one sided sensationalist news stores( there is a documentary showing over 100 years of bigoted and racist portrayals of Muslims and Arabs- called planet of the Arabs). These people are just carrying on the legacy of the Crusades and the orders of the Pope at that time to - it is ingrained in the culture that Muslims are our natural enemies no matter what they do even if they bow down and lick our boots we will find a reason to demonize them and colonize them.Muslim are humans' not TV images or villein number 5 in your Delta force Chuck Norris movies, there are all types of Muslim good ones average one's exceptional ones, bad ones and evil ones - just like every single group of humans on the earth. There is so much about Islaam and Muslim you will never know about because you do not care to know, really it is your lost not ours.My finial point is Knowledge is freedom and power get some.

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Historically, Islam has been a religion of tolerance, while Christianity has been just the opposite, a religion of Intolerence.

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As a Christian, I believe that we need to realize this failing in our Faith, and to work towards making Christianity more tolerant.

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The honesty here, and its correct historical truth relating to christianity, is one which should be respected, however there are impacting factors also which questions the notion about islam's tolerence.Early/medevial christianity was described as being far worse than Rome, Babylon and ancient Egypt by the Jews of this time, and the instigator of a new racism which made humans of a different belief, even a precedent belief of 2000 years, as less than human, culminating in the extenion of Rome's heresy charges which massacred millions, deicide [sic], ghettoes and persecutions [of already weakened and small populations trapped in its control], and eventually in Nazism - which is most closely allign with Lutherism.The fundamental failure of christianity was its negation of allowing the Jews to return to their land - which it aught to have done when it assumed power, and in keeping with any positive doctrines of any religious beliefs. Instead, European Christianity did the reverse - obsessively denying this right, and fostering the negation of Judaism, with 100s of false charges, assuming Israel was dead and gone, and all its heritage was booty for grabs.This failure to restore jews their homeland, was in turn emulated and followed by Islam. While both these groups knew better than anyone else the history of the jews and this region - that Islam followed Christianity constitutes a graver crime and wrong doing than that of christianity: because it was perpertrated with 20/20 vision, and with a blatant impudence as if there was no seeing eye. There is no *OTHER* means of muslims vindicating themselves as a Gdly inclined belief - than by how they acted towards the jews and the truth which was in their immediate vicinity. Of note is this grotesque action by Islam was affirmed when the holocaust occured: they emulated the most hated verse in all scriptures, namely: AM I MY BROTHER'S KEEPER? This test was definitely failed.

This thread is now closed. Thank you all for participating.

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