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toff
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Message 7 of 32 (4198)
02-12-2002 5:41 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by KingPenguin
02-09-2002 11:51 PM


The question is simple, as regards computer 'intelligence'. Is human thought algorithmic? If it is, it is possible that one day we may be able to create 'intelligent' computers, with personalities, etc. If it is not, then we will never be able to creation AI.
So the question is simple: is human thought algorithmic?

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toff
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Message 10 of 32 (4383)
02-13-2002 8:53 AM
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02-13-2002 12:59 AM


quote:
Originally posted by KingPenguin:
i cant figure that out, we dont use our entire brains to think out one thing and we can just do it without even looking at what were doing just by guesses. i cant think of steps to my thinking but i can think of a kind of relation. we think of one thing and usual it brings up a memory of a related experience and we dont have to wait for any of those to come up, we just know it and almost never forget it. our brain is however still chemical reactions and electrical impulses.

That's very nice. However, it doesn't address the question: is human thought algorithmic?

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toff
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Message 12 of 32 (4479)
02-14-2002 2:35 AM
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02-13-2002 3:37 PM


quote:
Originally posted by KingPenguin:
i was talking about the brain being algorithmic and i say it isnt.

The brain is a physical organ; it is neither algorithmic nor non-algorithmic, nor can it be. The issue is human thought.

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toff
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Message 14 of 32 (5217)
02-21-2002 10:10 AM
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02-20-2002 9:18 PM


quote:
Originally posted by schrafinator:
The brain is not algorithmic.
Brains are not like computers.

The brain is a physical organ. It cannot be either algorithmic or non-algorithmic. How it WORKS is either algorithmic or non-algorithmic. If that's what you meant, then I'd love to see whatever evidence you have that our mental processes (ie, human thought) is not algorithmic. Nobody has ever been able to find any.

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toff
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Message 18 of 32 (5275)
02-22-2002 4:24 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by joz
02-21-2002 10:50 AM


quote:
Originally posted by joz:
While I disagree with his line of reasoning John Searles attacks on functionalism are clearly non-trivial....
You would do well to acquaint yourself with his concept of intentionality as expressed in his "chineese room" argument.....

I am well acquainted with his 'chinese room' argument. It is an excellent tool for examinnig the idea of intentionality. Unfortunately, it says nothing either way about whether or not the processes of the brain (ie., human thought) are algorithmic or non-algorithmic.

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