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jar Member (Idle past 395 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The edit was to add the first two verses from Genesis 1 to make it clear that day and night, morning and evening existed before the sun or moon.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2514 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
I disagree with his decision labelling pointmanzero's topic as not a topic. This board has promoted similar arguments in the past, both for creo and evo positions.
If anything, refer him to those.
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AdminNem Inactive Member |
I disagree with his decision labelling pointmanzero's topic as not a topic. This board has promoted similar arguments in the past, both for creo and evo positions. I don't understand why you are objecting to that. Requesting a list of creationist arguments is not a topic. There's no argumentum, there's no question, there is nothing to discuss other than doing all the work for his class. I then provided him a link where he can get all of the creationist arguments in a single source. What's the problem? http://EvC Forum: I need a list of all creationist arguments. -->EvC Forum: I need a list of all creationist arguments. Edited by AdminNem, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Might you be inappropriately using your Admin status to lean on me, perhaps because you are resentful of what happened to you in the Misunderstanding Empiricism thread?
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2642 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
Nator, I had that exact same thought last night when I read AdminPD's comment.
It's so blatant!
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AdminPD Inactive Administrator |
No Dear.
My Admin Message was very clear concerning the issue. Members do have a choice of who they respond to. Continuing to demand a response is badgering. Now we have a useless thread because you didn't get the hint that the member doesn't wish to respond to your post.
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Let's all just try to get the thread (mind reading) back on the rails. I'll see what I can do to help.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yes. Nobody forces anybody to post here. Posting here is 100% dependent upon the person choosing to post. There is no possible way that someone can post here unless it is of his or her own utterly and completely free will.
quote: Please show where I "demanded" a response. Quote me directly, please. Even if I did "demand" a response, though, I just agreed with you that: Nobody forces anybody to post here. Posting here is 100% dependent upon the person choosing to post. If he doesn't want to respond, then nothing in the world can force him to, right?
quote: Useless? Not at all. Pointing out hypocrisy and fallatious reasoning is never useless. We can discuss Pertophysic's claims without him, and we can discuss how easy it is for people to self-delude.
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AdminPD Inactive Administrator |
Your original post in the transcendent thread was Message 55 to which Petro did not respond.
Your friendly reminder in Message 95 to which he also did not respond.
nator writes: Hey, Petro, any thoughts on my critique and questions found in message #55? Another inquiry in Message 119 nator writes: Petro, I wondered if you missed this message? His response in Message 121 was that he did not miss the post, which should tell you that he chose not to respond to it. (October 25th) He also felt pursuing it would be off topic and he was backed up by AdminQuetzal. Petro did not intimate that he wanted to continue a discussion with you in a new thread. On November 14th in Message 89 of the Rationalism thread you invited Petro to the mind reading thread you would be starting.
nator writes: Speaking of irrationality, why don't you join me over at the thread I'm going to start on mind reading and the people, like you, who think they can do it? Again Petro did not respond in that thread or the new mind reading thread. In Message 5 of the Mind Reading thread you even said the only reason you called him out was because he called liberals irrational.
nator writes: The whole reason I called him out on this thread is because he took a shot at liberals in another thread, specifically calling most of us "irrational". After two days of no response from Petro you bump the thread with Message 6.
C'mon, don't you want to discuss your mad skillz? When he finally responds with the inappropriate Midol comment, you seem surprised that he is upset. Message 15 nator writes: Petro, how do you think it looks to everyone that you have resorted to calling me a bitch instead of actually addressing the OP? I haven't called you any names, yet here you are, getting all emotional and lashing out, um...irrationally. Is it really irrational to lash out at someone who is goading you and can't take the hint to back off? Holding someone's "feet to the fire" usually smacks of demanding.
nator writes: I am not a "bitch" for holding your feet to the fire regarding your claim of being a mind reader, nor for starting this thread in response to your incredibly ironic accusation that liberals are irrational. You didn't take the subtle hints, so he had to get aggressive, not that that excuses his inappropriate response.
quote:That's easy for an antagonist to say. At some point people will try to defend themselves especially if they wish to continue on this board and the issue is brought up in unrelated threads and hinders discussion. Per the forum guidelines though, the antagonist does not have the option to cast aspersions or deride those who do not respond. That is not respectful behavior.
Always treat other members with respect. Argue the position, not the person. Avoid abusive, harassing and invasive behavior. Avoid needling, hectoring and goading tactics. You may not be calling anyone bad names, but you were trying to needle him into responding. Hence your persistence. I do feel that this tactic of yours is in violation of Rule #10. IMO, each thread is new (aside from continuations obviously), with no debating mistakes. Even though a member may have painted themselves into a corner in another thread, they have a chance to use better tactics in a new thread.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
My apologies for the response delay. I've been on the road and visiting relatives across the country.
If it was an isolated thing I'd have no problem. It's consistent personal cheap shot insults that get problematic. I doubt that such conduct would be tolerated by the minority membership. Item 10 of the guidelines reads, "Always treat other members with respect. Argue the position, not the person. Avoid abusive, harassing and invasive behavior. Avoid needling, hectoring and goading tactics. " The message you cited is quite typical of Jar's disrespectful abrassive MO. The title begins with, "Gotta quit misrepresenting the Bible Buz." It ends with, "Have you ever read the Bible Buz?" This member who consistently denies about every one of the scores of supernatural events in the Bible needles and goads Biblical literatists with this disrespectful personal insult, harrassment and abuse rather than simply debating the position. I'm not advocating any admin action at this time but would appreciate some admonition from admins if this conduct continues to be problematic. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.
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jar Member (Idle past 395 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I assume you have some evidence to present showing where I have attacked the poster instead of the content?
Is pointing out where you misrepresent the Bible an insult? Since your posts misrepresent what is actually in the Bible is it unreasonable to ask if you have read it? The particular post you are whining about says:
Genesis writes: 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. 3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning”the first day. So each day was light and dark, even before there was a Sun. No need of a Sun or Moon. Have you ever read the Bible Buz? Is there anything in there that is not addressing your Message 14 where you said:
Buz writes: "The Bible does not designate the length of the days before day 5 after the sun and moon were created." It is quite clear from what I posted that the Bible does specify the length of a day in EXACTLY the same method as used after the Sun and Moon are created. See Genesis 1:14-19
14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights”the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning”the fourth day. Look at Genesis 1:5 "5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning”the first day." and Genesis 1:19 which is after the creation of the Sun and the Moon: "19 And there was evening, and there was morning”the fourth day." Exactly the same description is used both before and after the creation of the Sun. Buz, if you are going to get upset when folk point out that you misrepresent what is in the Bible, there is a simple solution; stop misrepresenting what is in the Bible. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2642 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
Admins.
Is it true, as RAZD suggests, that "simple" is one and the same with "reversespin"? If so, "reversespin" needs to be banned indefinitely as well.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1406 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
hover over his name and you will see a list that starts with Bret, Charley, Craig, johnfulton, the Golfer ... his aliases in alphabetical order, so if it listed all of them would include Tom, Simple and whatever (the first name I knew him by).
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2284 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.8 |
I don'think simple = whatever/reversespin. Simple tends to the "it was all different in the past" arguement, while whatever takes scientific studies/articles (like the peat moss one) and claims that they support his arguement even when they clearly don't. Both of them do continually create new IDs and retrun after they've been suspended/banned.
Live every week like it's Shark Week! Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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jar Member (Idle past 395 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It is unlikely that simple and whatever are the same person. However, they both use multiple ips, create new aliases, register new accounts while banned, tend to show back up and leave at the same general times, post nothing but absolute rubbish, and contribute nothing except disruption.
In his, her, their defense, over the years they have posted some of the funniest messages ever at EvC, exceeding the humor contributions of such notables as Buz, Ray, JimSDA (certainly a contender), Lysimachus or even Eddy Pengelly. I miss Eddie. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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