Rapture (pre-trib, mid-trib or post-trib) ?

No, but that the last trump is not the last angelic trump the last trump is where the LORD himself blows the trumpet. I've only said the sixth seal is about the rapture which is before the seventh seal.kjv revelation 8:2 And I saw the seven "angels" which stood before God; and to "them" were given seven trumpets. Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.

It does say these sayings are faithful and true to show us the things which will shortly come to pass which is why he didn't seal the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ.=====================================================================kjv Revelation 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.kjv revelation 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.

It appears to me to be the same group in chapter 7 in kjv revelation 14:15 appears about those overcoming the beast chapter 15:1-3 being reaped.So most of the first resurrection martryed saints appears are reaped before the vials of wrath however its said blessed are the dead that die in the Lord from henceforth 14:13, appears about after the earth is reaped ? like during the wrath of God ? but also inclusive of the martyed saints reaped.======================================================================kjv revelation 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.kjv revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses , clothed in fine linen, white and clean.Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.

It appears the first fruit is the 144,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel in Chapter 7:3 and in Chapter 14:3-4 clarifies; these were redeemed from among men, being the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb.kjv revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. I see the first fruits only from the 12 tribes of Israel which too me are part of the rapture of the 6th seal which includes Christians that are too raptured but are not of the 12 tribes of Israel. Where does it say these 144,000 go thru the tribulation?The manchild meaning too me refers that those raptured will live and reign with Christ for his thousand year rule. Too me it has nothing to do with another rapture because once the door is closed it says the doors closed. kjv matthew 25:10This is why too me the sickle in respect to the reaping is of those martyred souls to be a part of the army in heaven of the Lord coming out of heaven on white horses, etc...kjv rev 19:14 One can be overcomers without the need of intense persecution if your abiding under the shadow of the almighty. kjv psalm 91:1Thats why I tell people to say the Our Father like where it says to lead us not into temptation and deliver us from evil. kjv Matthew 6:13This kind of prayer seems more about abiding under the shadow of the almighty, etc... Unless you like being persecuted being tested but don't believe I want to be a Job if I can be raptured Like Noah being carried above the earth. Not that Noah was raptured but in respect to Matthew 24:35-42 for where two are one will be taken and the other left, etc...Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.

kjv revelation 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. and he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.kjv revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.kjv revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;The first fruits 144,000 {rev 7:4} and the church {rev 7:9-14} had already been raptured at the sixth seal chapter 7. kjv Rev chapter 7 and 14 appears about the marriage of the Lamb that the martyred saints are the fullfillment of the marriage {rev 14:16} at the reaping of the earth before the armies of heaven clothed in fine linen and clean follow the him upon white horses {rev 19:14}. The Lord said that he would not drink of the vine until the kingdom come, etc...come eat and drink at my table, etc... Luke 22:16-30.If the Lord will not drink of the vine until the the kingdom come then the Marriage of the Lamb apparently happens in heaven. However {kjv Luke 22:30} says to come and eat and drink at my table makes the marriage feast not happen until the kingdom has come, it appears even the fowl are invited unto the supper of the great God {kjv revelation 19:17}.P.S. I wrote this and lost it and rewrote it hope it makes sense too you. I provided a link so hopefully it helps it makes sense, etc...=================================================================Because the rapture and resurrection IS the marriage of the Lamb which is about to commence. The marriage is the union of the saints with Christ. It can only occur when the bride is complete. That's why the statement is made, "His wife hath made herself ready." The church has been purified and made white through tribulation, now she is ready! [1 Peter 1:7, & 4:12,13]. The marriage supper will not occur in heaven, but on earth at Christ's Kingdom.Luke 22
16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves;
18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come...
29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.http://www.geocities.com/~lasttrumpet/marriage.htmlEdited by reversespin, : No reason given.Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.

Actually it only say righteousness of saints I thought the rewards were in respect to the deeds? kjv rev 22:12 I see it more as having the righteousness of Christ rather than deeds or positional righteous standing.Its like our righteousness is as a filthy rag kjv Isaiah 64:6. Too me its about being found in Christ not about our own righteousness philippians 3:9 and not about works lest any man boast ephesians 2:9, but the righteousness of Christ which is of God by faith. kjv philippians 3:9.It is by grace we are saved through faith and not of ourselves it is the gift of God kjv ephesians 2:8. Its because of the faith of Christ philippians 3:9. It says our robes are made white in the blood of the Lamb. kjv rev 8:14. Its about whosoever believeth in the only begotten Son should not perish but have everlasting life John 3:16. Its about the Faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: Salvation is a free gift lest any man should boast. That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life john 3:15.kjv philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righeousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:kjv Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. kjv 2 corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.

Hi,No one knows when their appointed time thus another important reason to be ready at all times. It says we do not know the hour but do we know the season? Like mid-tribulation for the church to be watching for one will be taken and the other left?KJV Matthew 24:31 Is interesting because the Lord himself will send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the four winds, form one end of heaven to the other.This is the last trump of God too me the Lord himself blowing the trumpet gathering the elect from the four corners of the earth in agreement with rev 7:1-17 which happens before the seventh seal seven angelic trumpets. My take these are those under the altar are those that had been martryed before the great tribulation even takes place like the apostle Paul.kjv rev 15:2-3 too me are those killed because they would not take the mark of the beast. It doesn't appear to be the same folk as 7:11 but are fellowservants and brethren. Its interesting too me that this after this little season rev 6:11 brings on the wrath of God. kjv rev 6:10 and kjv 15:1Those under the altar are told to rest for a little season until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fullfilled, etc... rev 6:11 kjv. Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.

Your KJV is not the authorized version likely the NKJV my authorized KJV says righteousness.NKJV Rev 19:8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.Authorized KJV Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.http://www.av1611.org/nkjv.html My take their works were their works not worthy of reward but they are saved by their faith in Christ.KJV Hebrews 9: 14 - How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?I suspect those basing it on their own righteousness will be resurrected in the second resurrection. Their names will be in the book of life thus they will miss the wedding feast. I'm saying the wise virgins will be part of the first resurrection rapture those living that are not wise that washes their robes in the blood of Christ will be part of the martyred souls reaped. If these unwise virgins died before the rapture they will be resurrected at the second resurrection after the 1000 year rule of Christ.KJV - ..., They are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
(Rev. 1: 5; 1 John 1: 7; Heb. 9: 14.)

I don't believe so, God promised to preserve his Word he does not want his Words tampered with. Too me the authorized kjv is the only version that stands out for this generation as Gods Words.P.S. I'm such a literal person that the Authorized KJV is the version I believe God wanted me to use. I believe you too love the Word lots of Great Christians use other bible versions but just pray you understand and have a bit of mercy on those KJV believers that tend to take the Word literally. You tend to see the big picture and I'm getting a bit to nit picking but its been fun seeing the big picture from your perspective.God Bless,Bill ==================================================================Scripture Preservation
Are the Scriptures just the "ideas" of God, or are they the very WORDS of God? You decide!God promises to preserve His words. The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. (Psalms 12:6-7)
You shall not add or take away, says God. Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you. Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
(Deuteronomy 4:1-2)
God cares about every one of His words. Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. (Proverbs 30:5-6)
God's words will never pass away. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. (Jesus Christ, Son of God) (Mark 13:31)
God will curse those who change His Word. For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. (Revelation 22:18-19)Chick.com: Are the Scriptures just the IDEAS of God, or are they His very WORDS? You decide!Quote:
So by which criteria is the KJV deemed inerrant and all other Bibles errant?Here's some criteria why only one bible version over time has not been compromised.Enjoy !!!!!!------------------------------------------------------NKJV counterfeithttp://www.av1611.org/nkjv.htmlBIBLE WORDS REMOVED
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". . .ye have perverted the words of the living God. . ." Jeremiah 23:36http://www.av1611.org/voice1.htmlShocker! Bible Scholar Loses Voice on the John Ankerberg TV Showhttp://www.av1611.org/voice1.html"And, behold, thou shalt be dumb, and not able to speak,... because thou believest not my words,..."Luke 1:20http://www.av1611.org/voice2.html------------------------------------------------------------------- If your Bible is a King James Bible, it preserves God's words because it was translated using "formal equivalence." All other Bibles were translated using "dynamic equivalence," in which the translator is free to change words as long as he conveys the "idea."Chick.com: Are the Scriptures just the IDEAS of God, or are they His very WORDS? You decide! I agree actually that this is not just the great tribulation of which we usually speak.I just see if those not ready are not raptured it does not mean they are not going to be saved but it does not mean they will be saved. Is their name in the book of life at the second resurrection Judgement.In some ways those martryed are lucky in that the second death has no power over them because they washed their robes in the blood of Christ. It appears to me they are saved by the righteousness of Christ even though they missed out on the reward, suffer loss, yet still be saved. It might be like someone that goes to church believes in God but also likes to go out with the guys having a beer so has one foot in the world and one foot in church. I think its these kind of things that some will be saved in the second resurrection but miss out on the first resurrection. They will be like the unwise virgins over time that died before the great tribulation so they will have to stand before the Great White Throne judgment.The wise virgins over time that died washed in the Blood of Christ thus are part of the raptured church. The only unwise virgins part of the first resurrection are those that washed their robes in the Blood of Christ during the Great Tribulation they missed out on the rapture but don't miss out on the first resurrection.The rest of the unwise virgins fate will be decided at the second resurrection The Great White Throne Judgment, not all will be part of the first resurrection, etc...At the Great white throne judgement their names will be in the book of life those not in the book of life will suffer the second death.The martryed saints left behind but reaped in the first resurrection would not be part of those standing before the Great White Throne second resurrection judgment because during the great tribulation they washed their robes in the Blood of Christ thus become part of the first resurrection and the second death has no power over them.I too would like to think my righteousness is not as filthy rag but also feel that Jesus desires to wash us its like a renewing of the mind in Christ. Its like you said he is the vine and were the branches, its about abiding in Christ, etc...I think were agreeing on some points and only disagreeing more in part due to the wording of the kjv verses the nkjv, and other versions.
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The Authorized kjv chapter 14:1 says only his Fathers name written upon their foreheads. Suspect the name of the Lamb was added by the translators to make it appear they were two different groups.AKJV rev 14:1 And I looked, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. It does not say "slaves" in my bible version it says "servants" and it does not say the name of the Lamb. I just don't see a problem but hear you Akjv rev 22:4 but leaning it has to due that the LORD is God!AKJV rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.AKJV rev 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the "Lord God" of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.====================================================================Gail Riplinger New Age Bible VersionsError 404 (Not Found)!!1Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.

Jesus says his yoke is easy his burden light. He says to love God first and to love one another. Too me this is what Christ is about not about serving him but loving one another, that ye should go forth and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit shall remain. If are about what Christ is about it says he will call us friends not servants, for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth; Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. kjv john 15:11-18.In revelation you have a church full of works righteousnesses but not righteousness. In loving others we must not forget to love God First as well as not forgetting to love one another. My take it that were to love the brethren not the world for if ye were of the world the world would love its own. akjv john 15:19 It does say if you want to be great in the kingdom of God you become a servant to all but even so one needs to remember what Christ is about so your fruit will remain.Its in part about loving your neighbor but not the part you go get filthy drunk for the world will love the world thus my take to love the brethren is an important part of being about what Christ is about. The part of being not called a servant but a friend to be about what he's about so your fruit will remain.Loving God First"Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love. Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lamp stand from its place”unless you repent." Revelation 2:4-5P.S. Loved that about the marriage feast might last 1000 years for one day to the Lord is a thousand years.I just think its righteousness and not righteousnesses but agree faith without works is dead but not forget our first love for if by placing works first were forgetting our first love. It reminds me of a friend saying find a church that loves to see you making it about loving one another in Christ the first love the first works. Edited by reversespin, : No reason given.